Sorry, that won't do. You're criticizing the alleged vitriol here, but when asked about it, you chicken out. You should at least MAN UP about that. Don't chicken out. How does moderate criticism amount to vitriol? Please elaborate.
"Sadly wasted effort, which is completely ruined by cheap samples... Seminal score such as this deserved better... perhaps one day it will be done right, until then it's easy to pass..."
Oh don't get me wrong, the finished product is, I believe, a travesty in concept. But the desire to preserve the score - to keep it alive in people's minds - is to be applauded.
Tommy Pearson had the exact same idea last year, and arranged a fantastic live performance of the score to picture at the Royal Albert Hall in London. THAT is how you do it.
O'Callaghan's book too, is amazing. Any negativity about this recording shouldn't detract from THAT achievement.
Nope. Not taking the bait. Particularly from someone who resorts to name-calling. Not why I post here. I'll let our words and the words of others stand for themselves.
Having recorded a suite from Planet of the Apes with live orchestra quite a few years ago including Mixing Bowl....yes it is difficult music but actually not overly difficult for real orchestra to perform....and actually great fun to do.
James - I don't recall this suite's availability. Can you or anyone let me know where it appeared? I'd love to hear it.
Probably on one of many of Silva Screen's collections or in the Jerry Goldsmith 4 cd set? I can't remember as I just record the tracks for them....
Thanks for the response. I kind of wondered if that would be the case.
It's not on the 4-CD set, which I have, and I've never encountered it on the compilations (many of which I have as well). No listing for it on the soundtrack collector site either, though I know that's not a guarantee that it's not somewhere. Maybe something released in England but not here in the USA? Anyway, thanks again for the response.
I have been reading, watching your endless cheerleading, and then finally commenting when you said you'd heard from the man who did the recording and bragging how it was already in the black, as if giving your middle finger to everyone who's posted here.
No, the middle finger is only meant for Spymaster and other acoustic fanatics. But you should see that.
Acoustic fanatics? There is a reason an acoustic version is still considered best recorded with a full orchestra, because there is a quality that you just can't match with samples. The producer clearly knows this as he took steps to record the percussion live but somehow due to budgetary concerns couldn't fit in a real orchestra. If the concern is difficulty in performing the music you make it just as bad by including poor-sounding samples. I have nothing against him for trying to re-create a score he loves in complete format as close as he can to the original but considering orchestras are out there who could probably get pretty close to the original sound, it just seems like a missed opportunity.
I'm not a fan of this score in general but I might have liked to hear a re-recording that perhaps gave it a different sound and helped me appreciate it. Sure there are a few minor sound issues with the original recordings but it is not like it sounds as bad as The Blue Max does on the original tapes. I am looking forward to the new release of this one along with the suites on disc 2. There is a ton of music out there available for us to listen to and with the cost of each release one simple way I can filter through things is to avoid things that sound like they won't be for me. And an easy way to do that is to skip things that don't have an orchestra as a main presence. What makes many of my favorite Goldsmith scores so exciting is his use of the orchestra. To avoid it completely here just makes no sense to me.
So, anyone got their CD yet? Mine shipped Wednesday and it'll be another week or so before it's up here in the great white north. I'm curious as to how this plays as a full 60 minute album.
So, anyone got their CD yet? Mine shipped Wednesday and it'll be another week or so before it's up here in the great white north. I'm curious as to how this plays as a full 60 minute album.
Chris
No, unfortunately, I didn't get it in the mail today. I'm eager to listen to it so I can give an honest "non-cheerleading" assessment of it here. I'm only a cheerleader for all things PLANET OF THE APES (the original 1968 movie, that is). This project? Maybe it's OK, maybe it's not. However....
I found this short video on You Tube, part of a longer French Television program, I guess. I find it hard not to think that a guy with this "hobby" would be anything less than intrigued by what someone has done with one of his most famous compositions, not matter how "organic" the original recording was for the film that it underscores, and of which that organic score will always be THE soundtrack to the movie. (Just sayin', not trying to change any prejudiced minds here -- because I know that's a waste of time.) [And the first 40 seconds or so of this are a waste too, until you get to the house that RAMBO built.]
Also, since licensing fees prohibited the use of any 20th Century-Fox owned images from being used in either the book or the CD, I've made this alternative cover for it based on the original Project 3 LP, which, since I've been listening to this score since 1968 when I was nine years old, will always be the "proper" cover for any version of the score. O'Callaghan had nothing to do with this, so if Fox wants to sue me, I offer it free for anyone who wants to copy it before a net gets thrown on me.
