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 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Would it be nice if this was an acoustic re-recording with a real orchestra? Perhaps (and this re-recording is not meant to offer an alternative to the film's actual score. It has nothing to do with movie, it's about the composition

Which is why I, and at least one other poster, have suggested that this recording would have done far better if packaged with the book as an audio reference guide to the book's intellectual statements. It has the same cover - it was clearly born out of the book - it's very nearly right.

Perhaps the issue is not with the recording itself - it is what it is - but with the way it has been promoted. Right now it's being compared to such powerhouse re-recordings as The Blue Max, Obsession, etc. and I don't think it belongs in that same market.

It's a "text book" document.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)


Which is why I, and at least one other poster, have suggested that this recording would have done far better if packaged with the book as an audio reference guide to the book's intellectual statements. It has the same cover - it was clearly born out of the book - it's very nearly right.

Perhaps the issue is not with the recording itself - it is what it is - but with the way it has been promoted. Right now it's being compared to such powerhouse re-recordings as The Blue Max, Obsession, etc. and I don't think it belongs in that same market.

It's a "text book" document.


I just heard from O'Callaghan that he's already in the black in regards to his sales. You acoustic fanatics are in the minority.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Oh, man! Just discovered this on You Tube. Next best thing to actually seeing Goldsmith do the APES score. Anyone ever post this before? Take a trip back in time and enjoy!


No one's ever posted that before.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I just heard from O'Callaghan that he's already in the black in regards to his sales. You acoustic fanatics are in the minority.

Delighted for him! He put a lot of hard work into it.

I look forward to the synthesized facsimile of Total Recall.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

No one's ever posted that before.

Heehee!!

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

While I'm not wild about the general whining I hear in threads like this, I must applaud what I see above as a constructive suggestion (marketing it more as a companion to the book). Someone hot on buying the book would probably look favorably on getting the sounds to follow along.

But I think they're already pushing it that way, with their "package" deal.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

While I'm not wild about the general whining I hear in threads like this...



General whining? I see only a few lines of criticism here and there.
Mr. O'Callaghan himself has written an ENTIRE BOOK of criticisms and complaints about every CD of Planet of the Apes that's ever been released.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Mr. O'Callaghan himself has written an ENTIRE BOOK of criticisms and complaints about every CD of Planet of the Apes that's ever been released.

That's an excellent point! What goes around, comes around I guess...

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 11:01 PM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

I'm gonna wait untill I hear it before I comment, as only then will I have something of merit to say, and a valid opinion to express, regarding this release.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2016 - 11:10 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)


Which is why I, and at least one other poster, have suggested that this recording would have done far better if packaged with the book as an audio reference guide to the book's intellectual statements. It has the same cover - it was clearly born out of the book - it's very nearly right.

Perhaps the issue is not with the recording itself - it is what it is - but with the way it has been promoted. Right now it's being compared to such powerhouse re-recordings as The Blue Max, Obsession, etc. and I don't think it belongs in that same market.

It's a "text book" document.


I just heard from O'Callaghan that he's already in the black in regards to his sales. You acoustic fanatics are in the minority.


You just heard from O'Callaghan? Well, that puts a certain, how shall we say, color to your posts about this.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2016 - 4:18 AM   
 By:   trstnvnk   (Member)

I just heard from O'Callaghan that he's already in the black in regards to his sales. You acoustic fanatics are in the minority.

McDonalds also sells millions of burgers a day, that don't mean they are any good.

But how much is O'Callaghan paying you for promoting his product and badmouthing everybody who isn't excited about this release?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2016 - 7:12 AM   
 By:   KTK   (Member)

It seems to me the question really is, why are people who are not excited for this recording hanging around this thread bad-mouthing this release? The author of that amazing book has put together a recording to bring to life some of the lost material he found in the archives, certainly in the best manner available to him, and the project seems to be drawing a curious amount of negativity.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2016 - 7:34 AM   
 By:   soundtrackmusic   (Member)

Well, a price tag has more to do with what it costs to make a CD, print a booklet, and buy the cases to put them in.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear: You're wrong. The price of an album has LEAST to do with the cost of pressing, printing and encasing. It's the MUSIC RIGHTS that cost the dough, the production (especially if scores have to be restored, tons of notes being copied) plus the performers (here, very few).

That's why downloads aren't much cheaper than actual, physical CDs.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2016 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   JoeyJoJo   (Member)

It seems to me the question really is, why are people who are not excited for this recording hanging around this thread bad-mouthing this release? The author of that amazing book has put together a recording to bring to life some of the lost material he found in the archives, certainly in the best manner available to him, and the project seems to be drawing a curious amount of negativity.

Welcome to the wonderful world of the FSM message boards.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2016 - 7:42 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

You just heard from O'Callaghan? Well, that puts a certain, how shall we say, color to your posts about this.

And what would that be exactly? I've been in an email exchange with O'Callaghan for many months now, mostly about the production of PLANET OF THE APES and the various bits of information he's uncovered in the Apjac files at Loyola Marymount University. The movie is my favorite so I find this stuff endlessly fascinating. I guess we've become friends, but his CD project wasn't something I was all that keen on when I first heard about it either. My inital reaction was exactly the same as some others here: it should be done with organic instruments. (And I warned him that this release was going to be attacked at the level of "Oh, this is just some crap someone's done in their garage," and sure as hell that's come true.) But I do think it was quite admirable of him to have actually pulled off something he felt needed to be done, even if he had to do it in the only way practical to him, which unfortunately didn't include the hiring of an entire sixty member orchestra. He told me, and I think most here will not agree at all with him, that the big motivating factor for what he's done is the he feared the score was becoming forgotten. Everyone who loves this score should ponder that a while.

As for my comments in this thread, I'm only reacting to those that are being especially snarky and ridiculously negative. Where have I attacked anyone who have simply said this doesn't interest them and they're not going to order it? But those that say things like this CD would make "Goldsmith roll in his grave," well, just as a Goldsmith fan I think that has to be rebuked because I feel it's a dominution of Goldsmith's own character in life. Then there's this comment: Mr. O'Callaghan himself has written an ENTIRE BOOK of criticisms and complaints about every CD of Planet of the Apes that's ever been released. Did this person actually buy and read O'Callaghan's book? I have to think not because the book is 262 pages and the pages that compare and contrast the various releases of the OST number 12 and appear near the end of the book, and in fact do a service to those who are collectors of this score, as someone else who posted here proves.

I ordered this CD from O'Callaghan on Monday and he's told me it's already shipped, which is better service than I get from SAE. When I get it I plan on giving it an honest critique right here in this very same thread. Being as critical a person as I am, and this being my all-time favorite score, I'll bet I'll have some negative things to say, which should make some here very happy I'm sure. One good thing about the snarkiness, and why I actually love being attacked is -- it keeps this thread up there, so... by all means, keep it up.

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2016 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

The level of spite, cynicism and most of all entitlement on display by some folks around here is truly "amazing"...

Some people seem to be personally offended by someone who shares a passion project that's not to their liking with the public. So effin' ridiculous.

You don't like it? Fine, move on. If the urge to express your personal disappointment is unbearable how about constructive criticism? I'm sure it's not been Mr. O'Callaghan's goal to harm anyone with this release... Jesus...

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2016 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   soundtrackmusic   (Member)

The level of spite

Questioning the point of an album such as this one isn't SPITE per se, and it's certainly not uncalled for.

You have a lesson or two to learn about democracy and free speech. Sure, the turning-over-in-one's-grave claim is a little too strong, and certainly cliched (Don't forget than not everyone around here is a native speaker!). But questions can be asked, and points be raised. Otherwise, why have a DISCUSSION board at alll?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2016 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

Just thought I'd note that I've gotten shipping notice for my copy. I'm in Canada so it'll take a least a week for me to get it, but I'd imagine others will get their copies shortly and then be able to weigh in on the album as a whole.

Chris

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2016 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   orbital   (Member)

Questioning the point of an album such as this one isn't SPITE per se, and it's certainly not uncalled for.

Since it's not your money, time & resources that's been spent I think it's totally uncalled for. All those armchair producers out there... tedious.
Of course there can be criticism & discussion but the personal statements by some are ridiculous.

Personally I'm not interested in this release. But why should I question or dismiss someone (or his passion, his ambition) who thinks it's worth the effort?

 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2016 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   soundtrackmusic   (Member)

Armchair criticism isn't uncalled for. As long as it doesn't resort to cheap generalizations, which, I think, very little of the criticism found in this thread does.

Albums are created for CONSUMERS, so the consumers are allowed to have their say. Whether they bought the album or not.

 
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