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 Posted:   Jan 26, 2008 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)




This NBC western series lasted nine seasons, 1962-1971 and aired on Wednesday nights from 7:30-9:00pm for its entire run. It's TV's first 90 minute Western. Considering that it aired opposite ratings giant The Beverly Hillbillies (gag) the show managed to be a top 25 program for a few of its seasons. Solid storytelling (this was an "Adult Western", to use the parlance of the time) a *GREAT* yet seemingly forgotten theme by Percy Faith(!). The fine cast including Lee J. Cobb, Doug McClure, and James Drury as The Virginian. Charles Bickford replaced Cobb for one season (1966-67). Loads of great guest stars and so many that made the rounds on American TV in those days.

And I always thought that Roberta Shore was cute...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o1nTqlUGYTE&feature=related

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2008 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

The name of the show became THE MEN FROM SHILOH for the final season in 1970.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2008 - 10:44 AM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

I thought I had heard that Johnny Williams and perhaps Jerry Goldsmith may have scored a few episodes.

Love to see those eps if they do exist.

And we know IMDB doesn't know everything.

I've recently seen a couple of old WAGON TRAIN Episodes scored by a young Johnny Williams. Pretty great stuff.

One was called THE KITTY PRYER STORY:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0743173/fullcredits

the other called THE KITTY ANGEL STORY.

Guess he liked scoring "Kitty" stories.


Track listing from the commercial LP of the WAGON TRAIN TV SERIES SOUNDTRACK:

Track listing

1. Colleen from "Jose Maria Moran" (02:30)
Leo Shuken/Jack Hayes - Orchestra conducted by Stanley Wilson on all tracks
2. My Indian Brother from "Beje Wilcox" (02:15)
David Raksin
3. Jumpin' Jack Rabbit from "Kitty Angel" (02:12)
Johnny Williams
4. Closing Theme Wagons Ho! (#1) (02:25)
Jerome Moross
5. Golden West from "Jenny Tannen" (02:01)
Johnny Williams/Frederick Herbert/Stanley Wilson
6. Share My Fire from "Rodney Lawrence" (02:48)
Cyril Mockridge
7. Tomorrow from "Jenny Tannen" (02:35)
Johnny Williams/Frederick Herbert
8. Vivian from "Vivian Carter" (02:15)
Cyril Mockridge
9. Chuck Wooster from "Chuck Wooster" (02:10)
David Buttolph
10. Wagons Ho! (#2) (01:38)
Jerome Moross
11. Night Shadow from "Jennifer Churchill" (02:16)
Roy Webb
12. Lamento from "Conchita Vasquez" (03:11)
Stanley Wilson
13. Siroco from "Juan Ortega" (02:20)
Laurindo Almeida

Total Duration: 00:30:36

WOW! Look at that Original sale Price on this one:

At link click on "view larger picture" or scroll down to see larger picture of lp.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Wagon-Train-ORIGINAL-59-TV-Soundtrack-In-Shrink_W0QQitemZ270162423238QQcmdZViewItem

Zoob

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2008 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

There are "boot" sets on DVD-R as Encore Westerns has aired the entire series from the beginning.

Ironically, the 1965-67 spinoff show "Laredo" has already made it to DVD release (as well as Doug McClure's earlier Universal series, "Checkmate").

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2008 - 10:59 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

There are "boot" sets on DVD-R as Encore Westerns has aired the entire series from the beginning.


When did encore air these? I dumped my digital cable back in September, but had the channel for years. I do have a handful of episodes and Hallmark aired the show in 2006, which is when I got hooked. IIRC, the Family Channel aired the show on their saturday western marathons back in the 1980s.

The Virginian is quite possibly the most underrated TV Western.

An expensive book about the show:

http://tinyurl.com/2m5gy5

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2008 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I don't know when they aired them, I'm just going by the cable logo on some of the episodes I've seen in the set I recently got. This particular set also had an unsold 1958 pilot for "The Virginian" with James Drury that did not sell at the time.

It could be that it isn't Encore, but another channel, but I'll check that again when I see a few more episodes.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2008 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

The last I heard, I think James Drury is living here in Texas...maybe in the Houston area.

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2008 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

S'funny, as a kiddy I remember this show being on TV. I also remember the Granger/Morricone thing.

I didn't think a lot about it at the time, but recently the original title came into my head and I thought, 'What a GREAT composition that is.' It's a quite complex tune that changes within its own parameters, starts off like Bernstein or Moross, but develops into this gallop, like some frisky stallion. Very descriptive, but sort of 'historical/Romantic' too, in keeping with the date of that novel the series was loosely based on.

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2008 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

I actually got hooked on this show, during its original run, because I loved the theme. It was my favorite television theme at the time. This along with Coronet Blue are my most-wanted, legitimate DVD releases.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2008 - 2:44 AM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

Here in Ireland The Virginian is still shown Mon-Fri at lunchtime on the TG4 channel. We sometimes tape it and watch later.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2008 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   Donna   (Member)

I actually got hooked on this show, during its original run, because I loved the theme. It was my favorite television theme at the time. This along with Coronet Blue are my most-wanted, legitimate DVD releases.


I would love to have Coronet Blue also. Really appreciate these threads that bring back so many happy memories.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2008 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Never seen the show, but I do know that Williams wrote some stuff for it. Can't remember the episodes off the top of my head, though. Faith's theme was available on a nice Stanley Wilson compilation called THEMES TO REMEMBER, which also includes other Williams rarities from shows like WAGON TRAIN, WIDE COUNTRY and - if I remember correctly - KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATRE.

Anyone know or remember which episodes Williams scored?

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2009 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Finally found the theme for The Virginian during its brief "Men from Shiloh" incarnation. The theme sounds positively Spaghetti western-esque--I wonder why? wink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xna6GjwSJ0&feature=related

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2009 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Always loved Morricone's Men From Shiloh theme. Wish someone would record a big orchestral version of this theme.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2009 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

A detailed episode guide (in some cases):

http://ctva.biz/US/Western/Virginian/V-homepage.htm

There's an episode from the seventh (1968-69) season which features another great performance from Steve Ihnat--"Last Grave at Socorro Creek."

http://ctva.biz/US/Western/Virginian/V191.htm

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2009 - 10:51 PM   
 By:   KostalPrevin   (Member)

My bachelor uncle, who had been severly wounded in WWII, was a huge fan of "The Virginian." Sadly, he is no longer alive, but everytime I am reminded of this series, I fondly think of him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWet2qgieVc

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2009 - 5:42 AM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

A detailed episode guide (in some cases):

http://ctva.biz/US/Western/Virginian/V-homepage.htm

There's an episode from the seventh (1968-69) season which features another great performance from Steve Ihnat--"Last Grave at Socorro Creek."

http://ctva.biz/US/Western/Virginian/V191.htm


Jim,
Thanks for the CTVA reference, a great source of information. The Virginian was shown on Saturday nights here in Ireland in the early to late 60s and we would never miss an episode. It is still being shown here on TG4 every day at lunch time. I sometimes get to watch it and like many of those great TV shows from the 60s it has stood the test of time. Some excellent writers like Burt Kennedy worked on The Virginian and it shows. I will always remember Steve Inhat for his brilliant performance as the psychopathic killer in Don Siegel's Madigan. I also remember enjoying The Honker's which I think was the only film he directed ?

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2009 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I'm impressed by the guest stars they snagged for this show, as well as the fact that The Virginian managed to keep the same time slot for all those years and up against some stiff competition. A 90-minute show no less! Truly an "adult western" if there ever was one. Enough action for the kiddies and a grown-up story for the parents. A durable program during its original run and a show ripe for rediscovery today. I hope it gets to DVD soon.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2009 - 9:05 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

A lot of it was to do with the charismatic actors like McClure, Drury, Cobb etc, and even Stu Granger later as 'The Major'.

But it's based roughly on the famous classic novel of course and that gives it some clout, though the TV show was far more modern than the writing in the book.

I remember my little brother telling me that during a school history course his teacher asked all the kiddies to bring in material that was related to the Old American West. My brother chose to bring in my old copy of 'The Virginian'. The teacher looked at him pityingly and said, 'Well, yes, that's the Hollywood take on the old West, isn't it, not really enlightening us about the actual period itself.' My brother rather aloofly pointed out that the novel was written from first-hand experience in the 19th Century. Poor teacher had nowhere to go. She had no idea this thing meant other than a TV show.


PS ... Ah do decleah ... y'all kin read the whole kiboodle from 1902, by Owen Wister here on the old Gutenberg line:

http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/world/readfile?fk_files=911318

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2009 - 11:54 PM   
 By:   Cricket853   (Member)

Always loved Morricone's Men From Shiloh theme. Wish someone would record a big orchestral version of this theme.

Actually, a 3 minute version is on the Silva Screen Essential Morricone 2-CD set. Sounds wonderful. Love that theme.

 
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