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 Posted:   Mar 9, 2009 - 7:30 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

But it's based roughly on the famous classic novel of course and that gives it some clout, though the TV show was far more modern than the writing in the book.

I remember my little brother telling me that during a school history course his teacher asked all the kiddies to bring in material that was related to the Old American West. My brother chose to bring in my old copy of 'The Virginian'. The teacher looked at him pityingly and said, 'Well, yes, that's the Hollywood take on the old West, isn't it, not really enlightening us about the actual period itself.' My brother rather aloofly pointed out that the novel was written from first-hand experience in the 19th Century. Poor teacher had nowhere to go. She had no idea this thing meant other than a TV show.

I've read that the original concept was to make the Virginian a dandified, Bat Masterson/James West type with ultra-tight pants and a tiny pistol. LOL! Ah, the double entendre lives!

I haven't seen the season after Judge Garth (Lee J. Cobb) left, but I understand the series endured a slump that year.

 Posted:   Sep 4, 2009 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Hope springs eternal!

 Posted:   Sep 6, 2009 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   Altamese   (Member)

Hope springs eternal!

The Virginian has a website (well, a couple of websites), and the news about this has been out for several weeks. Timeless Media is supposed to be releasing them, and Drury will be taping a 45-minute segment for them.

As a matter of fact, I spoke with James Drury just a few days ago (kindly connected to him by the woman who operates his YouTube channel - he himself has nothing to do with the Internet) and he also pointed out that the DVDs were coming out, and that they'd be on TV again as well...I confess I can't remember if he said the Western Channel or the Lonestar Channel...but some channel is going to have them.

Meanwhile, James did give me a quote on Steve Ihnat for my website...unfortunately all he had were general impressions of working with and enjoying Steve's company, no specific anecdotes.

Gary Clarke on the other hand was a mine of info...if only I didn't have to transcribe it all. ; (

 Posted:   Sep 8, 2009 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Meanwhile, James did give me a quote on Steve Ihnat for my website...unfortunately all he had were general impressions of working with and enjoying Steve's company, no specific anecdotes.

Gary Clarke on the other hand was a mine of info...if only I didn't have to transcribe it all. ; (

That's one of the episodes that came to mind when I saw news of the "rumor." It's become a goal of mine to get every Steve Ihnat performance I can on DVD.

I'm sure Gary Clarke's got some interesting tales to tell, especially regarding his departure from the show.

 Posted:   Sep 9, 2009 - 10:56 PM   
 By:   Altamese   (Member)

It's become a goal of mine to get every Steve Ihnat performance I can on DVD.

Do you have his episode of 77 Sunset Strip, Queen of the Cats? If not, would you like it?

I hadn't realized he'd been in this show until a couple of weeks ago. Until that time, it hadn't been listed on the IMDB for him, or even for the 77 Sunset Strip page, although it's been added now. The last episode of the series.

Kind of fun, with Virginia Gregg. Steve has only 4 scenes, but a climactic fight scene with Efrem Zimbalist which is kind of fun. Definitely looks like it's both of them going at it, with no stunt doubles, and they really rare back before they start punching, to give the other actor time to block or pretend to get hit...

 Posted:   Sep 19, 2009 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The Virginian/Men From Shiloh end credits. It's more fully orchestrated than the spare-sounding theme. Imagine that, Morricone scoring an American mainstream Western TV show...

 Posted:   Sep 24, 2009 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

A HISTORY OF TELEVISION'S THE VIRGINIAN, 1962-1971 by Paul Green is out in trade paperback October 31, 2009. On sale for pre-order at Amazon for $39.95. Table of Contents:

Table of Contents

Acknowledgments vii
Foreword by Frank Price 1
Preface 5
Introduction 7

1. Owen Wister 9
2. Beginnings 15
3. The Virginian: Season One 21
4. Early Seasons: Seasons Two and Three 31
5. Change of Direction: Season Four 45
6. New Beginnings: Season Five 51
7. MacDonnell in Charge: Seasons Six to Eight 62
8. The Men from Shiloh: Season Nine 72
9. Production and Location 79
10. Lee J. Cobb: Judge Henry Garth 90
11. James Drury: The Virginian 94
12. Doug McClure: Trampas 104
13. Gary Clarke: Steve Hill 118
14. Roberta Shore: Betsy Garth 132
15. Randy Boone: Randy Benton 140
16. Clu Gulager and Diane Roter: Emmett Ryker and Jennifer Sommers 151
17. Charles Bickford, Don Quine and Sara Lane: John, Stacey and Elizabeth Grainger 155
18. John McIntire, David Hartman and Tim Matheson: Clay Grainger, David Sutton and Jim Horn 166
19. Stewart Granger and Lee Majors: Col. Alan Mackenzie and Roy Tate 170
20. Familiar Faces: Pippa Scott, L. Q. Jones, John Dehner, Jeanette Nolan and Ross Elliott 173
21. Frank Price: Executive Producer 179
22. Producers 184
23. Writers 192
24. Directors 200
25. Directors of Photography 212
26. Composers 217
27. Episode Guide 230
28. Afterthoughts 267

Appendix: The Virginian Memorabilia 269
Bibliography 271
Index 275

 Posted:   Sep 24, 2009 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

If this is true, then I HAVE to buy a DVD recorder!

 Posted:   Dec 2, 2009 - 7:43 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Coming to DVD March 9, 2010 and available for pre-order on Can't wait!

 Posted:   Dec 31, 2009 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Tonight beginning at midnight (I'm EST) on encore westerns is a VIRGINIAN marathon.

 Posted:   Jan 2, 2010 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

I don't know about Williams or Goldsmith, ZOOBA, but somewhere in my LP library is a b**t of a Bernard Herrmann score from one of the episodes. Maybe even Waxman, but it's been several decades, so I can't recall for sure.

 Posted:   Jan 2, 2010 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   mark ford   (Member)

Today is the Have Gun - Will Travel marathon on the Encore Western channel. Besides Herrmann's strikingly different sounding theme music, it's also filled with many of his easily identifiable cues.

 Posted:   Jan 2, 2010 - 9:07 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I watched a few episodes yesterday and was impressed with the first season guest stars.

To name but a few:

Lee Marvin
George C. Scott
Bette Davis
Brian Keith (even if the ep. was scene-for-scene 1955's Man without a Star)

 Posted:   Jan 3, 2010 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

"The Virginian"' will air weekdays@4:30pm Mon-Fri on the encore westerns channel.

 Posted:   May 8, 2010 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Yesterday's episode was a third-season show (1964-65) called "Showdown." It featured among the guest stars Leonard Nimoy as a bad guy alongside Michael Ansara--both actors obviously have Star Trek credentials, and the episode was written by Gene L. Coon, who went on to Trek, as well. The Coon-Nimoy connection is also evident in the second-season Bonanza episode, "The Ape", with Nimoy playing another villain--not the title character--in an episode written by Gene L. Coon. I have to wonder if Nimoy recommended Coon for Trek or whether Coon's reputation as a writer preceeded him or if it was a case of Roddenberry knowing Coon.

The quality of guest stars on The Virginian is nothing short of amazing. 1960s-'70s TV is amazing for the amount of times future stars and dependable guest actors appear on a given show.

 Posted:   May 8, 2010 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   mrscott   (Member)

DVR and watch episodes from time to time. Recently there was a haunted house episode. The 90 minute (74 sans commercials) was way too long especially for this storyline. They routinely went through the visits to the basement (all dark and dank) the snake in the episode (it was harmless) buts lots of screaming (before a cut to commercials to build the suspense) etc, etc, before the predictable ending. Since the stars rotated their roles this one didn't have any of the main players involved. On the other hand I am watching my way through the 30 minute per episode series Whispering Smith with Audie Murphy from 1961. Interesting group of guest stars and a short tight format that worked pretty well. Steve Inhat never wore a hat except in his villanous role as a General in In Like Flint. Watch for his being bullett bounced off a rail fence by James Garner in Hour of the Gun. No offense meant to any Virginian fans with the above criticism and I smiled when I said that, partner.

 Posted:   Jul 29, 2010 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Just some random Doug McClure stuff...

He's quite popular among Virginian fandom and based on his five marriages, I'd say he may have been wed to them! One of his wives was super-hot Barbara Luna, to whom he was married from '61-'63...yep, Doug was real pop'lar with the womenfolk.

McClure died of lung cancer in 1995. I recently saw him on a 1992 episode of Matlock--I watched only because he was in it--and McClure looked healthy but that was apparently not the case...

 Posted:   Jul 30, 2010 - 1:34 AM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

"The Virginian" was N.B.C.'s second longest running Western, after "Bonanza" (both shows were in color). Though some say "Bonanza" was cancelled because of Dan Blocker's death, the real reason was that "Bonanza"'s ratings were already in a decline in its 13th season, and the cancellation of both "The Men From Shiloh" (the revamped "The Virginian" in its final season) and "The High Chapparal" the previous season may have been the factor.

 Posted:   Jul 30, 2010 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Never seen the show, but I do know that Williams wrote some stuff for it. Can't remember the episodes off the top of my head, though. Faith's theme was available on a nice Stanley Wilson compilation called THEMES TO REMEMBER, which also includes other Williams rarities from shows like WAGON TRAIN, WIDE COUNTRY and - if I remember correctly - KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATRE.

Anyone know or remember which episodes Williams scored?

Sorry, don't know that information. I just wanted to comment that I've heard Stanley Wilson's cover of THE VIRGINIAN theme and quite a few others (including Percy's own pimped-up version from an album), and so far have heard none that equals the actual main title version from the show. I don't know why these people constantly had to gild the lily when recording tv themes, throwing in extra strings, altering the tempos, replacing strong instruments like French horn with weak, synthy-sounding gizmos a la Meco... To borrow a favorite term here: Sad.

 Posted:   Jul 30, 2010 - 10:44 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I've enjoyed going through Season 1 on DVD (released by Timeless a couple months ago) and have a boot set. It's amazing how they could do a whole season worth of 90 minute episodes, but having a great ensemble obviously helped!

There's a great "making of" book on the series too.

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