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Jan 11, 2018 - 11:14 PM
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GoblinScore
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Ok, back on track, was it ever published WHY this was a rush job for Kamen? I don't recall ever reading the reason behind it, wss another composer fired?
My specific recollections are hazy, but this was an early-ish example of a film where the release date was set before the script was ready, the production ran long, the producers (including Costner) locked director Reynolds out of the editing room and fired the editor… it was just a big, runaway production, and at the end became a mad scramble to get it to theaters.
If Kamen had a few of his orchestrators write some cues at his instruction (as I suspect he did), it's hardly scandalous, or proof that Kamen was a sham. It would have been a reasonable solution to a near-impossible task. I mean, we now know that Jerry Goldsmith farmed out some cues for the similarly breakneck "Star Trek: The Motion Picture." That doesn't make it any less his score.
Thanks Schiffy, always enjoy your contributions
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I assumed it was a 'hard date, this film.
I've always loved Kamen's music & never hear the "other hands" as blatantly as....the Zimmer world...I'm elated that train wreck of an album the Morgan Creek was, has been righted at last.
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Jan 11, 2018 - 11:23 PM
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Octoberman
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I won't watch the Crowe Hood from 2014 was it?, since it's probably the usual overly serious joyless shite....Costner Hood is weird in that some bits feel like guys goofing around with a camera & 20mil. Then you have the crazy Stedicam, zoom in, fish eye Sherriff photography....and I swear it was Magonagle from Harry Potter as the Witch?? Weird, but entertaining as hell.
I like Crowe, but his work is 50/50 to me.
So I checked out his "Robin Hood" (or should I say Ridley's) and I liked it more than I thought I would.
There was some genuine humor and light touches in it.
His Robin is mainly an honorable, goofy lout.
One touch that I thought was cool was that it's only at the movie's end that he actually begins his career as the noble thief--that the bigger tale has yet to be told.
But anyway, yeah, Costner's depiction was from SUCH a different time for movies.
(Surfer-dude Robin, some said.)
I think he knew that the audiences back then were wanting some lighthearted, rousing, romantic escapism.
Gritty realism was not the mandate and the movie was all the better for it.
Getting Kamen was a stroke of genius. I think he gave the film exactly what it needed to be complete.
I can't imagine that anyone else would have been a better fit for it.
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Jan 12, 2018 - 9:33 AM
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CCW1970
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Ok, back on track, was it ever published WHY this was a rush job for Kamen? I don't recall ever reading the reason behind it, wss another composer fired?
My specific recollections are hazy, but this was an early-ish example of a film where the release date was set before the script was ready, the production ran long, the producers (including Costner) locked director Reynolds out of the editing room and fired the editor… it was just a big, runaway production, and at the end became a mad scramble to get it to theaters.
If Kamen had a few of his orchestrators write some cues at his instruction (as I suspect he did), it's hardly scandalous, or proof that Kamen was a sham. It would have been a reasonable solution to a near-impossible task. I mean, we now know that Jerry Goldsmith farmed out some cues for the similarly breakneck "Star Trek: The Motion Picture." That doesn't make it any less his score.
Not only that, but I recall reading in a movie magazine ahead of the film's release, perhaps it was Premiere, that Costner was dedicated to getting the accent right by working again with a voice coach and looping all his dialogue in post. In the end, he must've realized no matter how hard he tried, he couldn't pull it off. An American accent, while clearly geographically wrong, was less of a distraction than whatever failed English accent he ended up with. They made the same choice with Slater's Will Scarlett, Wincott's Guy of Gisborne, and Mastriantonio's Maid Marian.
When it came out, I thought it was great fun, especially the subtle way Costner's Robin Hood initially is trying to ditch Morgan Freeman's Azeem shortly after they escape. The film is also filled with a great cast. Rickman and Freeman, of course, plus Wincott, Brian Blessed, Nick Brimble, Michael McShane, Geraldine McEwan.
I remember buying the soundtrack and being happily surprised that the first track was a generous length, as were a number of other tracks. Great score to a fun film.
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Jan 12, 2018 - 6:15 PM
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SchiffyM
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Hello, Roger. I read the list of missing cues you gave on the Intrada Soundtrack forum and - are there any chances you release a complete score of Robin Hood sometime, with all those missing cues? Do you have any clue where those tapes can be or are there any chances to find them somewhere in the future? Maybe in Michael Kamen's home or studio? You could ask the person who collected the tapes from the archives - maybe he'll say more about it.
I am not Roger, but considering Intrada's track record over the past two decades, I'd say it's a safe bet that they looked everywhere they could (including the places you suggest) and came up empty.
Obviously, one can never say that something that is missing will never be found, and maybe those cues will turn up someday. (I have a friend who was involved in accidentally locating the complete session tapes for a pretty major score, which were in a box, labeled as something else, under the desk of an assistant, where they'd apparently been for years and across many assistants.) Or maybe they're just gone for good. If they do show up, Intrada (or another label) will have to decide if reissuing the score for these few additional minutes makes financial sense. Who knows what the CD market will be like in this theoretical future?
Obviously, spend your money however you want to spend it. But I have every confidence that Intrada did everything they possibly could to locate the entire score. If you choose to deny yourself this album and wait for a potential future (that will, I'd guess, likely never come) where every single note is released, that's up to you.
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I'm having a hard time deciding if those two pandas in the bottom of SchiffyM's new avatar are his panda boobs, riding his knees, or something I need to call the panda police over.
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Then I promise not to call Sexual Harassment Panda. ;-)
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For those with HBO, I just noticed that "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" is listed for several showings tonight (Friday), Saturday, Sunday and Monday.
For those of without HBO can we steal your cable?
I have actually never seen the movie, but the I listened to the samples and there's no way I was passing this up. They sound incredible and I know once I listen to the score, I'll have to see the movie. I did the same thing with Braveheart. Had not seen it (I know, shoot me) until after listening to the expanded release.
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