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 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Rational and detached? Please.
Your posts on this are clearly your opinion, even if they're driven by your sense of justice, misplaced as I think it may be. If you honestly think some of these posts rose to the level of "bullying", I don't want to know what you do consider acceptable tongue-in-cheek.



You are free to think my sense of justice is misplaced.
But the issue isn't whether you or I perceive the posts to be tongue-in-cheek, it's whether or not Tyuan perceived the posts as tongue-in-cheek.
Clearly, he didn't.
My comments were based on that and only that.

As long as you guys keep bringing it up, I will keep responding.
So maybe no longer bringing it up would be the logical thing.
I don't want to have a discussion about internet etiquette on this particular thread any more than I would want to see personal attacks on it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah


Oh, I'm glad you're back.
So, what I asked you earlier was, were you referring to me when you said "f*cking crybabies"?
Because I really don't understand how that raises the level of this discourse.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

HOT TAKE: The labels need to come up with a way to deliver these titles to the customers before announcing them.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

I'm incredibly happy about this release.

And very grateful to Intrada for giving us so much more of Kamen's score.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

So, onward...

Yet another thought for Roger, if he sees this.
Is there any info on whether or not the audio of the actual film itself was mixed in Q-Sound?
Or was it just the original score CD?

The Q-Sound Wiki page seems to imply that the film was mixed that way, which I thought was curious.
(Not that Wiki is always 100% reliable, of course.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   Roger Feigelson   (Member)

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Don't worry folks, I ran this through my Universal translater and it translates to: Predator 2 -- complete!

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Don't worry folks, I ran this through my Universal translater. ....!


"translatOr" !!!!!##

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

On the plus side, look at what Intrada just released!

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 5:55 PM   
 By:   Col. Flagg   (Member)

On the plus side, look at what Intrada just released!

"Send it back, waiter! I haven't eaten in six weeks, but the steak has a touch too much salt!"

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 7:22 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Lemme see here...

Q Sound- film credits it at the end, including logo, so I'm assuming it was mixed that way.
There is some stuff missing,but the reel 1 & 2 this guy is concerned with....it might fit in the first 3 or so cues. Get the freaking set & see.

There is more likely missing stuff around the 'Duncan's Death cue, namely Marians capture.
Damn there is a ton of score here.
Have you guys watched this movie lately? It's weird! Love the humor - How about Kamen quoting Winter Wonderland at Rickmans mention of Christmas is cancelled, eh? Genius.
I think Rutherford hears Don Davis everywhere - the guy did not invent rambling trumpet 16th note runs, read Minks post FFS.. that guy knows, he knew Kamen personally, right?

Most importantly THANK YOU INTRADA FOR making this happen. I cannot wait to hear it.
-Sean

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 8:35 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I said I know nothing, relax! It just sounds a hell of a lot like Davis, who has been rumored for years (and in this thread!!!) to have helped on this score!

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 8:35 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Lemme see here...
Q Sound- film credits it at the end, including logo, so I'm assuming it was mixed that way.
There is some stuff missing, but the reel 1 & 2 this guy is concerned with....it might fit in the first 3 or so cues. Get the freaking set & see.



It never even occurred to me that there would be on on-screen acknowledgement.
Cool that you checked that for me, Goblin. Good catch--thanks.
(The other thing you mentioned here, about reel 1 & 2--I think that was someone else.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 8:54 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

Shaun - just funnin' ya dude, but your Davis-complex is concerning.
October, it was another that started the 'what's missing ' business, correct - I was just tossing random thoughts like spaghetti against the wall.
Seriously, watch the film again guys, it's pretty entertaining all these years later - you can play the 'what's missing' game along with the 'what's new game - like "Meet Marian" which sounds like Al Newman rose from the beyond to pen these amazing 70 seconds.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 9:01 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

October, it was another that started the 'what's missing ' business, correct - I was just tossing random thoughts like spaghetti against the wall.
Seriously, watch the film again guys, it's pretty entertaining all these years later - you can play the 'what's missing' game along with the 'what's new game - like "Meet Marian" which sounds like Al Newman rose from the beyond to pen these amazing 70 seconds.



I think the last time I watched it was about a year ago, maybe a bit more.
The Missus had no idea there even was an extended cut, so I popped it in one night.
She adores that movie and, the funny thing is that even though I've seen it soooo many times and the cheese count is off the charts, it sucks me in every single time.
It's just a great good-time flick.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I remember Roger Ebert criticized the film for the attempted rape scene of Marion. Ebert complained it was treated humorously.
Was he correct?

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 9:33 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I remember Roger Ebert criticized the film for the attempted rape scene of Marion. Ebert complained it was treated humorously.
Was he correct?



Tough call.
I don't think that it was a funny bit--my reaction was more one of revulsion, but the whole splitting-her-legs-open-with-his-knees shot was done in an extremely OTT cartoony fashion which was intended, I guess, to detach the audience from the repulsive aspect.
Then the line, "Do you MIND....", right after Robin burst in, was clearly meant to be funny.
So Ebert may have had a point.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 10:14 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Received mine Thursday afternoon. Haven't played it yet but for those asking questions here, I notice the Tech Talk section of the booklet is a fair bit longer than usual.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)


I think the last time I watched it was about a year ago, maybe a bit more.


Agreeden October....I watch it every other year or so & It's an oddly different experience each time, I always catch something new. And I always realize after a 'huh?? moment' I only have the extended BD. Then I torture myself with 'what was added to the film game....which I can now play with the score too!

Glad this thread is trying to get on track - a lousy start to the year & a seeming ramp up in hatefulness here - will it end?? We should be doing cartwheels this set happened, I surely am! Complaints the songs on this & Titanic are missing....Jesus wept, big deal!

Ok, back on track, was it ever published WHY this was a rush job for Kamen? I don't recall ever reading the reason behind it, wss another composer fired?
I said the film was 'weird earlier, meaning it's so far afield from current blockbuster type affairs- I won't watch the Crowe Hood from 2014 was it?, since it's probably the usual overly serious joyless shite....Costner Hood is weird in that some bits feel like guys goofing around with a camera & 20mil. Then you have the crazy Stedicam, zoom in, fish eye Sherriff photography....and I swear it was Magonagle from Harry Potter as the Witch?? Weird, but entertaining as hell.
C'mon draft your random insane Hood thoughts here, gang!!

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2018 - 10:54 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Ok, back on track, was it ever published WHY this was a rush job for Kamen? I don't recall ever reading the reason behind it, wss another composer fired?

My specific recollections are hazy, but this was an early-ish example of a film where the release date was set before the script was ready, the production ran long, the producers (including Costner) locked director Reynolds out of the editing room and fired the editor… it was just a big, runaway production, and at the end became a mad scramble to get it to theaters.

If Kamen had a few of his orchestrators write some cues at his instruction (as I suspect he did), it's hardly scandalous, or proof that Kamen was a sham. It would have been a reasonable solution to a near-impossible task. I mean, we now know that Jerry Goldsmith farmed out some cues for the similarly breakneck "Star Trek: The Motion Picture." That doesn't make it any less his score.

 
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