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 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   Timothy J. Phlaps   (Member)

I'll pledge when I get paid in about three weeks. I rewatched a few Bond films over Christmas and went out and bought all the 2003 remasters that HMV had in stock over new year.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

As someone who really doesn't like John Barry's scores, and absolutely hates Moonraker, can I please ask a serious question to Barry and Bond fans? Which is, is the score really THAT popular with you guys? And is there really that much more music to release?

Ignore Thor, Mike. You asked your question properly.

I can only speak for myself but in the case of Moonraker, I think the fact that the masters are lost is what makes everyone want it so badly. Aside from the fact that most here grew up on the Moore era films and the John Barry fandom (both separate and involved with Bond), the fact that it has the LEAST likely chance for an expansion makes people want it.

I rather enjoy the score myself (though the hoverboat sequence always makes me wince) particularly the "space ballet" cut or the shuttle docking music. I honestly don't remember if there's a ton of music missing.

I'd be curious if this gets funded, if Tadlow would be willing to do The Spy Who Loved Me (not a score I care for but it's masters are also missing) or License To Kill.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   thx99   (Member)

Finally, there are couple of typos in the kickstarter description:

"...now is you chance to get such a recording done!"
"... do not foresee any real risks if the full funding can be flound"


"Having been recording films scores..."

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Also, can't we have Thomas Newman re-score Moonraker? big grin

Anyone know what his rate is?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   Don   (Member)

Finally I've gotten around backing a Kickstarter campaign. Until now I haven't been interested in anything, but THIS... Actually I would have backed almost anything James and his band of champions would've started.

I just love their enthusiasm for movie scores. It's contagious. Please keep up the good work.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

As someone who really doesn't like John Barry's scores, and absolutely hates Moonraker, can I please ask a serious question to Barry and Bond fans? Which is, is the score really THAT popular with you guys? And is there really that much more music to release?.

Moonraker is probably not one of the great bond scores, but it's far from the worst. The appeal for me has always been the beautiful, majestic space cues which set this score apart from most of the other Bond scores. That and Shirley Bassey's incredibly gorgeous title song which is amongst my favorite of the bond songs. Speaking of which, how will this be handled in the re-recording? Could they maybe get Bassey herself to re-record it?

As far as I'm concerned, the Kickstarter folks need not justify the score to someone who doesn't like Barry or this particular score. So long as there's enough people who love it to raise the funds, that's all they need. As for the people griping about why another score wasn't selected for the Kickstarter project, why not launch your own Kickstarter?

This will be an interesting test case. If something with a fan base as big as the Bond films can't get funding, what could?

Chris.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

Double post

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Ok, while I *love* the idea of a KS for a re-recording, as JC noted above there's a LOT more info that should be on there. I've seen quite a large amount of Kickstarter projects and the ones that make the most money usually have the following:

-A large amount of backer incentives. There's exactly ONE, and that's the CD. Someone above mentioned invitations to the sessions, definetly a good one for a high bid. Another idea would high def (either digital files or a Blu-Ray) as a higher tier. Even put in a "$1 support tier" would probably get a lot more people throwing in something rather than nothing.
As it stands now, people don't have much reason to donate a lot, Give them more reason to. Just look at some of the video game KS and see how much people are willing to give.

-There's very little info. An actual informational video describing why you want to use KS and other things is a very good idea. Just showing a video of a different recording isn't too helpful.

-Stretch Goals. Not too sure what you could add here, outside of bonus tracks. No idea how long the score runs but if there's room on CD it could easily be dedicated toward more. Hell, make it an incentive to get high enough and have a whole other CD (maybe including a complete short Barry score that wouldn't be worth it standalone, that wouldn't be too difficult to make a recording of....if any such things exist).

-I'[m sure there's more I've forgotten to type here....but yeah.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

I'd contribute if this was AVTAK

How about contribute just a little so in the future they can do an AVTAK? Showing them there is a true demand for unreleased Bond scores from the Roger Moore era is crucial.


Maybe

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Bump

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

As for the people griping about why another score wasn't selected for the Kickstarter project, why not launch your own Kickstarter?


Because that would require actually doing something positive.
Take a look at their post history and you'll see - they rarely, if ever, post about something they actually like. Instead, they dip into threads about scores or topics they don't even like, troll, and then act like the victim when they are called out. Classic.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I'd contribute if this was AVTAK

How about contribute just a little so in the future they can do an AVTAK? Showing them there is a true demand for unreleased Bond scores from the Roger Moore era is crucial.


Maybe


I would contribute double to that! The blimp cue!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   indyray   (Member)

John Barry is James Bond if you ask my opinion.
Moonraker rs are lost suposedly,for me Octopussy is the best music beside Goldfinger.
Rerecording of Moonraker i back.
If they rerecord The Road Warrior i back James for sure.
Legend can,t be made suposedly because Jerry Goldsmith made it himself.
A rerecording of this great score on cd i buy ,like everyone on this board does.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Ok, while I *love* the idea of a KS for a re-recording, as JC noted above there's a LOT more info that should be on there. I've seen quite a large amount of Kickstarter projects and the ones that make the most money usually have the following:

-A large amount of backer incentives. There's exactly ONE, and that's the CD. Someone above mentioned invitations to the sessions, definetly a good one for a high bid. Another idea would high def (either digital files or a Blu-Ray) as a higher tier. Even put in a "$1 support tier" would probably get a lot more people throwing in something rather than nothing.
As it stands now, people don't have much reason to donate a lot, Give them more reason to. Just look at some of the video game KS and see how much people are willing to give.

-There's very little info. An actual informational video describing why you want to use KS and other things is a very good idea. Just showing a video of a different recording isn't too helpful.

-Stretch Goals. Not too sure what you could add here, outside of bonus tracks. No idea how long the score runs but if there's room on CD it could easily be dedicated toward more. Hell, make it an incentive to get high enough and have a whole other CD (maybe including a complete short Barry score that wouldn't be worth it standalone, that wouldn't be too difficult to make a recording of....if any such things exist).

-I'[m sure there's more I've forgotten to type here....but yeah.


How about lunch with Thor? big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   mild_cigar   (Member)

Be careful, Mike....

Sod off

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   mild_cigar   (Member)

Be careful, Mike....

Sod off

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   jeff1   (Member)

I would suggest to add some more information about the following topics to attract people who aren't familiar with the composer, the score and Tadlow Music, but just like the film and its atmosphere:

-Why do you want the backer's money to re-record that score? What's special about that score? What's the story behind the original recording? - You don't sell a product on Kickstarter. You sell some kind of vision!

-Information about the number of tracks. How many tracks are missing on the actual release? Do you have the original sheets of music?

-Information about the orchestra, the conductor and the recording engineering

-Some words about the legal aspects to prove that you don't want the money to produce a bootleg

-Quotes from positive reviews of some of your recent recordings


Spot on! The campaign is also completely undiscoverable on the Kickstarter platform unless you already know it exists. "MOONRAKER NEW RECORDING" doesn't mean much to most people - the title and/or description should include the phrases "James Bond", "John Barry" and "film score" for basic keyword searches.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Sod off

I'll try. Meanwhile, I'll raise my glass to you, mild cigar! Have a spectacular evening -- and a wonderful mild cigar. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

Be careful, Mike....

Why, Thor? It's a sincere question from someone who has never got the love for John Barry at all. I was watching Hanover Street this afternoon and seriously thought the score was terrible and intrusive.


Hey, I'm on your side! I was being facetious(sp?) since all questions related to this project that weren't gushing praise were apparently considered 'pissing' on the project.


Apologies Thor, I misunderstood.

I have said before that some Barry fans seem to react with hostility to anyone who doesn't like the composer's work. The grief Ive had because I've said Howard The Duck is my favorite Barry score (it is!) and that I think For Your Eyes Only is the best Bond score (I do!) is just astonishing.

I can apprciate some of Barry's Bond scores (I like Man with the Golden Gun and You Only Live Twice) but Ive always hated Moonraker and always cite the cue for the speedboat chase in the Amazon as being, IMHO, the worst scored action sequence of any Bond film ever so I am just mystified that Moinraker should be in such demand.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

As someone who really doesn't like John Barry's scores, and absolutely hates Moonraker, can I please ask a serious question to Barry and Bond fans? Which is, is the score really THAT popular with you guys? And is there really that much more music to release?

Ignore Thor, Mike. You asked your question properly.

I can only speak for myself but in the case of Moonraker, I think the fact that the masters are lost is what makes everyone want it so badly. Aside from the fact that most here grew up on the Moore era films and the John Barry fandom (both separate and involved with Bond), the fact that it has the LEAST likely chance for an expansion makes people want it.

I rather enjoy the score myself (though the hoverboat sequence always makes me wince) particularly the "space ballet" cut or the shuttle docking music. I honestly don't remember if there's a ton of music missing.

I'd be curious if this gets funded, if Tadlow would be willing to do The Spy Who Loved Me (not a score I care for but it's masters are also missing) or License To Kill.


Well, you make some valid points. But I grew up with Sir Rog's Bond (he remains my favourite 007 to this day) but I actually much prefer the scores to LALD, TSWLM and FYEO than Barry's scores. In Moonraker, some of the space station stuff is quite nice but the action cues are just horrible and the song is just risible.

I wasn't aware the master tapes were missing and so that kind of explains the interst in Moonraker a lot more so Im obliged to you for that.

 
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