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 Posted:   Feb 5, 2018 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

A question for anyone who cares to answer it:

Which scenes in TFA, TLJ, and Rogue One would you rank as being "up there" with the most famous and beloved scenes in the original trilogy?

Darth Vader's intro in Rogue One? Maybe for me, yes.


Without question Darth in bad-ass mode in Rogue One. But I disqualify that because the scene wasn't "earned". It was a tacked on at the last minute cynical marketing ploy, and of course it worked! That scene made me roll my eyes.

My favorite action scene in TFA was the Falcon/Tie fighter chase through the sand dunes and downed Star Destoyer.

In TLJ, without question the light speed jump thru the enemy fleet.

I can't think of any character moments in any of the films. The humor always fell flat, the 99% of the action scenes lack drama, and in general nothing is earned.

 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2018 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   Coco314   (Member)

A question for anyone who cares to answer it:

Which scenes in TFA, TLJ, and Rogue One would you rank as being "up there" with the most famous and beloved scenes in the original trilogy?


Han/Ben scene on that bridge in TFA. The silence, the tension and the emotion of that scene made up for some part of the terribly recycled material from that movie for me. That was a character moment, beautifully acted and perfectly scored.
Outside of that scene, not much, quite frankly. The Vader scene in Rogue one was just overkill fan service. And it was just a guy in a Vader suit with the wrong body language killing people we don't know or care about.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2018 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   Simon Underwood   (Member)

A question for anyone who cares to answer it:

Which scenes in TFA, TLJ, and Rogue One would you rank as being "up there" with the most famous and beloved scenes in the original trilogy?



That saber, flying into Rey's hand. I will never forget how I felt at that moment. It was glorious.

 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2018 - 7:03 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

Which scenes in TFA, TLJ, and Rogue One would you rank as being "up there" with the most famous and beloved scenes in the original trilogy?

Rogue One (my favorite of the three films)

The Hammerhead Corvette pushing the disabled Star Destroyer into it's sister ship and then the massive wreckage takes out the planetary shield entry ring.

Vader pinning the rebel to the ceiling and then slashing him in half with his saber. That's what we all wanted to see!

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Feminist agenda. Pfft.

This writer from Digital Spy seems to think so:

if the Universe was run by women, The Last Jedi's clear subtext runs, things would be kinder, more humane, better organised and a lot more peaceful. What a perfect tribute to Carrie Fisher and what a wonderful message in 2017 for young women, at a time when it's becoming clear that the film industry has long been stacked against them.

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-wars/feature/a845869/star-wars-the-last-jedi-feminist-feminism/

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   tex1272   (Member)

A question for anyone who cares to answer it:

Which scenes in TFA, TLJ, and Rogue One would you rank as being "up there" with the most famous and beloved scenes in the original trilogy?



That saber, flying into Rey's hand. I will never forget how I felt at that moment. It was glorious.



When I saw it in the theater, and that saber went flying past Kylo Ren and was caught, I expected the camera to pull back and reveal Luke!

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

A question for anyone who cares to answer it:

Which scenes in TFA, TLJ, and Rogue One would you rank as being "up there" with the most famous and beloved scenes in the original trilogy?



That saber, flying into Rey's hand. I will never forget how I felt at that moment. It was glorious.



When I saw it in the theater, and that saber went flying past Kylo Ren and was caught, I expected the camera to pull back and reveal Luke!


Me too! Totally blown moment. Would've been epic even if unexpected.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2018 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

MS BS.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 4:06 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Feminist agenda. Pfft.

"The Last Jedi is a step in the right direction when it comes to gender diversity not only because it gives us more female characters with more to do, but because it refuses to glorify its male heroes in simplistic ways that create unrealistic, harmful expectations for everyone involved. True gender diversity in media and in real life will come by recognizing that the system of patriarchy we live in benefits no one—not even the Poe Damerons of the world.

The Last Jedi is a story that recognizes that we won't "win" by fighting the things we hate, but by saving the things we love—and by being able to tell the difference between someone who is unable to accept any degree of accountability for their actions, the Kylo Rens of the world, and someone who has the capacity to recognize his mistakes and learn from them. It is a deeply empathetic story that explores the dangers of toxic masculinity, the competency of women, and the boxes we all must break out of to be free."


http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/269657/toxic-masculinity-is-the-true-villain-of-star-wars-the-last-jedi

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 6:01 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/269657/toxic-masculinity-is-the-true-villain-of-star-wars-the-last-jedi


The article gave me a good eyeroll, but some of the comments below it gave me an even better chuckle--especially one poster in particular.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Feminist agenda. Pfft.

"The Last Jedi is a step in the right direction when it comes to gender diversity not only because it gives us more female characters with more to do, but because it refuses to glorify its male heroes in simplistic ways that create unrealistic, harmful expectations for everyone involved. True gender diversity in media and in real life will come by recognizing that the system of patriarchy we live in benefits no one—not even the Poe Damerons of the world.

The Last Jedi is a story that recognizes that we won't "win" by fighting the things we hate, but by saving the things we love—and by being able to tell the difference between someone who is unable to accept any degree of accountability for their actions, the Kylo Rens of the world, and someone who has the capacity to recognize his mistakes and learn from them. It is a deeply empathetic story that explores the dangers of toxic masculinity, the competency of women, and the boxes we all must break out of to be free."


http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/269657/toxic-masculinity-is-the-true-villain-of-star-wars-the-last-jedi


Yeah cause every women in power I know, aren't as dumb, narcissistic, heartless, lying, corrupt, bat-shit crazy as their male counter parts.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   agentMaestraX   (Member)

I bet there were females in the story department at Lucasfilm who created this feminist agenda piffle!

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I don't believe Rey is a Mary Sue. Mary Sues are characters who are self-inserted into the narrative as a means of wishful fulfillment for the person who's writing them. A better example of a Mary Sue would b e Wesley Crusher from Star Trek TNG. Not only is he portrayed as the smartest and most amazing thing to ever exist in Star Trek, but the Mary Sue status is taken to the next level by having his name be Wesley. Why does that matter? Because his creator is none other than Gene 'Wesley' Roddenberry. Yep. He named this super over-powered character after himself. Who is self-inserting themselves as Rey? JJ Abrams? Lawrence Kasdan? Rian Johnson? I don't think so.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi. Screenplay by Rian Johnson.

Rey= "King"

"The name Rey is a Spanish baby name. In Spanish the meaning of the name Rey is: King."

Rian (Johnson)= "King"

"Origin of the name Ryan: From the Irish surname O'Riain (descendant of Rian). Rian is an ancient Irish name believed to be a diminutive form of rí (king): hence, "little king." From A World of Baby Names by Teresa Norman."
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No Mary Sue here, folks!

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

Rian didn't create the character of Rey.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Rian didn't create the character of Rey.

He directed the film and wrote TLJ's screenplay, and thus dictated her perfect character and flawless actions. They even share a name.

Total Mary Sue.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 4:46 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

He directed the film and wrote TLJ's screenplay, and thus dictated her perfect character and flawless actions. They even share a name.

What are you doing? Is this a joke thread now?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2018 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Vader pinning the rebel to the ceiling and then slashing him in half with his saber. That's what we all wanted to see!

uh, "we" meaning you and all the other SAW fans.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 12:42 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

Feminist agenda. Pfft.

"The Last Jedi is a step in the right direction when it comes to gender diversity not only because it gives us more female characters with more to do, but because it refuses to glorify its male heroes in simplistic ways that create unrealistic, harmful expectations for everyone involved. True gender diversity in media and in real life will come by recognizing that the system of patriarchy we live in benefits no one—not even the Poe Damerons of the world.

The Last Jedi is a story that recognizes that we won't "win" by fighting the things we hate, but by saving the things we love—and by being able to tell the difference between someone who is unable to accept any degree of accountability for their actions, the Kylo Rens of the world, and someone who has the capacity to recognize his mistakes and learn from them. It is a deeply empathetic story that explores the dangers of toxic masculinity, the competency of women, and the boxes we all must break out of to be free."


http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/269657/toxic-masculinity-is-the-true-villain-of-star-wars-the-last-jedi


More proof what a rorschach test movies and other entertainment can be. It reminds me of the debates about Dark Knight being either a defense of, or indictment of, the war on terror, or the debates about Dark Knight Rises being either a defense of, or indictment of, the occupy movement. Each side saw what they wanted to in those respective films.

I do find it amusing that so many people see a "feminist agenda" in a film that only barely passes the Bechdel test thanks to a couple of very short scenes. Disney has undoubtedly made a conscious effort to add women in more prominent roles, and considering the popularity the films have with women, why not? Daisy Ridley, Felicity Jones, Laura Dern, and more have all done great jobs, and helped breathe new life into the series.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 12:48 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

Rian didn't create the character of Rey.

He directed the film and wrote TLJ's screenplay, and thus dictated her perfect character and flawless actions. They even share a name.

Total Mary Sue.


I honestly wonder if we saw the same movie. I wouldn't describe someone who was duped by Snoke into surrendering herself to the First Order in hopes of saving someone who spent the prior film hurting or even killing people she cared about, using the Force on her against her will, and ultimately trying to kill her as being "perfect" or having acted flawlessly. All because she was manipulated into feeling sorry for him.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2018 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

What Yoda said.

(I never knew his first name was Michael! wink)

 
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