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 Posted:   Feb 15, 2018 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   Expat@22   (Member)

I am not really into the review culture. What do you think is the reason for the disparity?

There is imo freedom not to toe a "company line" when reviewers have their own channel in outlets like YouTube.


I didn't realise that Disney may have had such a negative grip on reviewers. I think what certainly helps is that people actually went to see the film and then could compare and contrast their experience with what was reported by the critics. Unfortunately, by that stage you have stumped up some of your hard-earned dosh into Disney's coffers.

My experience has now opened my eyes to the +ve critic review score possibly being the product of a critics industry being a corporate shill, generally speaking?

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2018 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I am not really into the review culture. What do you think is the reason for the disparity?

There is imo freedom not to toe a "company line" when reviewers have their own channel in outlets like YouTube.


There were rumors the real reason IMDB shut down their forums was because the film studios didn't want a lot of "negative press" regarding their new releases. Seeing how Facebook, YouTube and Twitter are bowing down to corporate/political pressure, squashing independent thought, I believe it to be true.

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2018 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I am not really into the review culture. What do you think is the reason for the disparity?

There is imo freedom not to toe a "company line" when reviewers have their own channel in outlets like YouTube.


Speaking as someone who oversees a news room and who has worked with and talked with many critics, it's just not so that reviewers are asked to toe a company line, even informally or unconsciously. That completely invalidates their role. And in fact a negative review of something like The Last Jedi is actually likely to get more hits and shares than a positive review, though everything Star Wars gets a lot of hits anyway. Which is why there are so many articles and videos etc.

PS I am not in this case speaking of reviewers who work for companies associated with or owned by Disney. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2018 - 2:50 AM   
 By:   Expat@22   (Member)

I am not really into the review culture. What do you think is the reason for the disparity?

There is imo freedom not to toe a "company line" when reviewers have their own channel in outlets like YouTube.


Speaking as someone who oversees a news room and who has worked with and talked with many critics, it's just not so that reviewers are asked to toe a company line, even informally or unconsciously. That completely invalidates their role. And in fact a negative review of something like The Last Jedi is actually likely to get more hits and shares than a positive review, though everything Star Wars gets a lot of hits anyway. Which is why there are so many articles and videos etc.

PS I am not in this case speaking of reviewers who work for companies associated with or owned by Disney. wink


Interesting perspective. I looked back through the less recent posts but couldn't find anything linked to why there is such a disparity between the critics and audiences RT scores.

The point about TLJ being integrationist is a good one. However, I think commentators were generally talking about how the integration was managed - how it was at the expense of the consistency of character behaviour and certainly at the expectations set up in TFA and to a lesser extent the expectations set up in the originals and prequels as to how this universe looked and behaved.

I was thinking about how this was also present in the Harry Potter films, especially between 2 and 3, where the aesthetics of 3 was a lot darker and the burgeoning teenage emotions and worldview were coming to the fore reflected that.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2018 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I am not really into the review culture. What do you think is the reason for the disparity?

There is imo freedom not to toe a "company line" when reviewers have their own channel in outlets like YouTube.


Speaking as someone who oversees a news room and who has worked with and talked with many critics, it's just not so that reviewers are asked to toe a company line, even informally or unconsciously. That completely invalidates their role. And in fact a negative review of something like The Last Jedi is actually likely to get more hits and shares than a positive review, though everything Star Wars gets a lot of hits anyway. Which is why there are so many articles and videos etc.

PS I am not in this case speaking of reviewers who work for companies associated with or owned by Disney. wink


I don't know what news room you work for, but it's an imperial fact there are topics and corporations news people cannot speak about.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2018 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I am not really into the review culture. What do you think is the reason for the disparity?

There is imo freedom not to toe a "company line" when reviewers have their own channel in outlets like YouTube.


Speaking as someone who oversees a news room and who has worked with and talked with many critics, it's just not so that reviewers are asked to toe a company line, even informally or unconsciously. That completely invalidates their role. And in fact a negative review of something like The Last Jedi is actually likely to get more hits and shares than a positive review, though everything Star Wars gets a lot of hits anyway. Which is why there are so many articles and videos etc.

PS I am not in this case speaking of reviewers who work for companies associated with or owned by Disney. wink


Why does a newsroom need an overseer? wink

The critics almost universally loved TLJ and they have repeated this with Black Panther (though I have yet to see the latter to agree/disagree with the reviews).

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2018 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I don't know what news room you work for, but it's an imperial fact there are topics and corporations news people cannot speak about.

I assume you mean empirical vs. royal, but given how likely you are to make grand and evidence-free pronouncements, maybe not. wink

Why does a newsroom need an overseer?....

Well, in part, to protect it from the kinds of unwonted influence that could otherwise compromise their editorial independence. Speaking for public radio at least, we take this kind of thing very seriously. (I can't find an emoji for earnest warmth.)

And let me stress that I am not here launching into any kind of disquisition or debate about journalism, simply saying that in my experience and in what I've read from professional critics, the goal for all of them is independence. It could simply be that all the critics who say they liked Last Jedi actually did.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2018 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

There are a few non teenage fan boy sounding droolers that reviewed Black Panther

Roger Moore, yeah, not that one;

https://rogersmovienation.com/2018/02/14/movie-review-say-it-loud-hes-black-panther-and-hes-proud/

"But whatever its cultural significance, it’s just passable entertainment, a noble attempt at waxing mythical that never, for one second, delivers that out-of-body giddiness that makes popcorn pictures of its ilk burst to life."


And

Slant Keith Uhlich
https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/black-panther

"The tension between commerce and craftsmanship is a key facet of American pop cinema. But as the budgets for blockbuster tentpoles have gotten larger and the projects more risk-averse (with Marvel Studios and its parent company, Walt Disney Pictures, as Exhibit A overlords of the trend) it’s become much too easy to acclaim fleeting inspiration and shallow gesturing toward diversity and goodwill as some kind of apogee. There is no doubt that Coogler makes the most that he can out of this property. And it’s more than certain that Black Panther will give audiences, especially underrepresented ones, a vision of themselves that Hollywood historically denies. And still the film seems, even at its best, like an apex of lowered expectations."

Otherwise, I agree that Last Jedi was incredibly overpraised, baffling really.
I mean, it is nice to see characters you like, and some fine technical production, but the story is so-so, and it does drag on much too long. It is not a fun movie at all.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2018 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I don't know what news room you work for, but it's an imperial fact there are topics and corporations news people cannot speak about.

I assume you mean empirical vs. royal, but given how likely you are to make grand and evidence-free pronouncements, maybe not. wink



Well since this is a Star Wars thread, Imperial isn't completely off basis. wink

But what I said is hardly evidence free. FOX are the Rights propaganda news channel, MSNBC are the lefts propaganda news channel, and CNN are the everything is 50/50 news channel. Same goes for the newspapers owned by the same big corps. They all tow the company line and answer to their corporate overlords. There's a whole slew of serious issues none of them will cover and honestly inform their viewership on.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2018 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Solium, please note that my posts are about movie critics (and all kinds of arts and entertainment commentators really). I'm not getting sucked into a journalism debate.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2018 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Solium, please note that my posts are about movie critics (and all kinds of arts and entertainment commentators really). I'm not getting sucked into a journalism debate.

Sorry my bad. I conflated the two. smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2018 - 6:31 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Well, in part, to protect it from the kinds of unwonted influence that could otherwise compromise their editorial independence.

Care to elaborate?

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2018 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Well, in part, to protect it from the kinds of unwonted influence that could otherwise compromise their editorial independence.

Care to elaborate?


When the majority of "corporate" critics gives some films unanimous up votes, but the general public gives down votes you gotta wonder.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2018 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Jim, dude, I don't come here to talk about work! Maybe if we share a table at your favorite tiki bar some day. smile

General public down votes? Here I thought down votes meant a movie didn't make money, but now it apparently means 1.3 billion dollars. roll eyes

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2018 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Jim, dude, I don't come here to talk about work! Maybe if we share a table at your favorite tiki bar some day. smile


You brought it up first! Fair enough, though.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2018 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Hey I only brought it up to give my position on critics cred, not to 'splain my job description!

 
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