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 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 4:58 PM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

This is up on iTunes New Zealand and Australia

https://itunes.apple.com/nz/album/avengers-age-ultron-original/id985170816

https://itunes.apple.com/au/album/avengers-age-ultron-original/id985170816

I've listened to all the Elfman tracks, and really liked what I heard! It's like a fun Elfman score peppered with Silvestri's themes (Captain America theme and Avengers theme appear). Good stuff!


Did you move to New Zealand? How did you listen to all the tracks?


You can usually listen to the previews of a score available in a different country. You have to change your store country in iTunes first, but you can't purchase unless your card is registered in said country. Or, like I said, try youtube.

Chris.


I searched YouTube and found nothing. perhaps it was reported for copyright violation.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 5:17 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)


Reviews of this movie are emerging. Variety gave the movie a decent review which ended with this sentence.

"Dueling composers Brian Tyler and Danny Elfman have provided a surfeit of speaker-rattling action music, though the most memorable passages remain those recycled bits of Alan Silvestri’s brassy “Avengers” fanfare."

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 6:48 PM   
 By:   BrendenG   (Member)

This feels stylistically all over the place. You've got Brian Tyler trying (and poorly) emulating Alan Silvestri with Danny Elfman doing damage control all throughout. Everything is way overscored. Tyler doesn't seem to have any concept of restraint. He doesn't give his sounds space to exist and crams so much in that it's hard to really make out what it's all hanging on. His references to his own themes for Iron Man and Thor—themes that are hardly distinguisable from one another—are so brief that it seems a bit masturbatory to even reference them. I think Silvestri's to not do that is one of the strengths of the first film.

I guess I am just really disappointed with this. I don't understand why they moved foward with this guy. He just doesn't have what it takes to pull something like this off which was clear to me before he was hired. It was no surprise when they announced Elfman had been brought on board.

I don't get it. Maybe Silvestri's fee is too high or something? If they didn't want to go with Silvestri again they should have pulled Henry Jackman. His work on The Winter Soldier was excellent.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   Membership Expired   (Member)

I just saw the film. After a new marvel logo cue the film starts with about 60 seconds of so of tracked music from The Avengers. (the last party of I Got A Ride).
Throughout the film there are several moments when Silvestri's music is either tracked or re-recorded.

After the mid credits scene the end credits feature two full score cues from Silvestri's Avengers score (possible re-recorded though, with slight differences in arrangements)

Soince the Marvel films havent had a lot of interest in musical continuity up to this point I can only assume that Whedon was the one who wanted his film to lean on the score for the first film.

I'm guessing he wasnt happy with what Tyler was giving him, which is why Elfman was brought in. I have to assume that Whedon would have preferred Silvestri, who wasnt able or willing to step in. This is however pure conjecture on my part.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 7:20 PM   
 By:   BrendenG   (Member)

I just saw the film. After a new marvel logo cue the film starts with about 60 seconds of so of tracked music from The Avengers. Throughout the film there are several moments when Silvestri's music is either tracked or re-recorded.

After the mid credits scene the end credits feature two full score cues from Silvestri's Avengers score (possible re-recorded though, with slight differences in arrangements)

Soince the Marvel films havent had a lot of interest in musical continuity up to this point I can only assume that Whedon was the one who wanted his film to lean on the score for the first film.

I'm guessing he wasnt happy with what Tyler was giving him, which is why Elfman was brought in. I have to assume that Whedon would have preferred Silvestri, who wasnt able or willing to step in. This is however pure conjecture on my part.


The rumor is the Kevin Feige, didn't like the score for the first film.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 7:21 PM   
 By:   Membership Expired   (Member)

That is possible. Though Whedon must have felt otherwise.

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 7:36 PM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

As much as I like a lot of Silvestri scores, something about his Cap and Avengers themes bug the crap out of me. Cloying and trite is the best way I can describe it, the way the themes feel so restrained. They always descend without ever getting to stretch into something properly heroic. I was happy Tyler got the gig. That being said, I wish he had saved his brilliant TMNT theme for this movie. Even proper evolutions of the Thor or Iron Man material would have helped give it some sense of identity.

Elfman's sound shines through at times, but man oh man think what it could have been if he'd been given a clean slate to work with! The very last 10 or so seconds of tracks 5 and 28 are what Silvestri's themes should have done in the first place. I don't know what to think. Maybe the album isn't representative of the whole score. I'm sure it will work with the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 7:50 PM   
 By:   BrendenG   (Member)

As much as I like a lot of Silvestri scores, something about his Cap and Avengers themes bug the crap out of me. Cloying and trite is the best way I can describe it, the way the themes feel so restrained. They always descend without ever getting to stretch into something properly heroic.

I think what you describe enchanced the tension between the Avengers team. That sense of it never coming together until it finally does in that brilliant moment when the camera pans around the team. I mean who can forget that moment? It was brilliant! And, I don't think it would have been nearly as memorable if we got his full theme straight away. Silvestri has been scoring films for 30+ years. He knows how to serve story with his music, something I think Tyler has yet to figure out.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 8:01 PM   
 By:   BrendenG   (Member)

That is possible. Though Whedon must have felt otherwise.

Yeah. From what I understand he wanted a classic film score sound for The Avengers and that is why he turned to Silvestri. Feige has been quoted saying he thinks Tyler's work for Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 are the best scores for any Marvel film. Kind of disheartening to hear that, really. Patrick Doyle's work on the first Thor was leagues ahead of what Tyler did for the sequel. Heck, even Ramin Djawadi's Iron Man score was more stylisticlaly memorable than Tyler's generic work on the third film. Silvestri even emulates some of that sound when Iron Man comes on screen for the first time in The Avengers.

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 8:01 PM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

As much as I like a lot of Silvestri scores, something about his Cap and Avengers themes bug the crap out of me. Cloying and trite is the best way I can describe it, the way the themes feel so restrained. They always descend without ever getting to stretch into something properly heroic.

I think what you describe enchanced the tension between the Avengers team. That sense of it never coming together until it finally does in that brilliant moment when the camera pans around the team. I mean who can forget that moment? It was brilliant! And, I don't think it would have been nearly as memorable if we got his full theme straight away. Silvestri has been scoring films for 30+ years. He knows how to serve story with his music, something I think Tyler has yet to figure out.


Yeah, but that's exactly the statement of the theme that I'm talking about.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 8:11 PM   
 By:   Membership Expired   (Member)

That is a brilliant statement of the theme, and hardly restrained.

Silvestri's end title cue (The Avengers) gets a full replay in the end credits of this film. As does Helicarrier.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 8:39 PM   
 By:   BrendenG   (Member)

That is a brilliant statement of the theme, and hardly restrained.

Silvestri's end title cue (The Avengers) gets a full replay in the end credits of this film. As does Helicarrier.


Helicarrier is so good. I remember seeing the film for the first time and noticing how the music was really enchaning my sense of wonder and discovery especially cut to the bridge of the ship and the score changes.

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 9:28 PM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

That is a brilliant statement of the theme, and hardly restrained.

Silvestri's end title cue (The Avengers) gets a full replay in the end credits of this film. As does Helicarrier.


To you. To me, yes it is a great statement of a theme, but the theme itself nevertheless leaves me feeling unsatisfied. There's something about the way the theme is constructed, something about the weak chord progression in minor [i, V, iv, III, ii, i is it?] that feels like it never goes anywhere.

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 9:47 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Feige has been quoted saying he thinks Tyler's work for Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 are the best scores for any Marvel film.

Mancrushes, eh? Go figure.

(That was a joke.)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 10:20 PM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

This seems like another Spider-Man 2 and 3 situation regarding the micromanaging of the score by the director and studio.

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 10:41 PM   
 By:   sajrocks   (Member)

I searched YouTube and found nothing. perhaps it was reported for copyright violation.

Here is the playlist:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKYq1YUeKWf0ESJEcDtZHIXEJXHBr-qcB

Edit: And 12 hours later, they're gone.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2015 - 11:54 PM   
 By:   BrendenG   (Member)

That is a brilliant statement of the theme, and hardly restrained.

Silvestri's end title cue (The Avengers) gets a full replay in the end credits of this film. As does Helicarrier.


To you. To me, yes it is a great statement of a theme, but the theme itself nevertheless leaves me feeling unsatisfied. There's something about the way the theme is constructed, something about the weak chord progression in minor [i, V, iv, III, ii, i is it?] that feels like it never goes anywhere.


Are sure about that progression? Seems more like it's I - V - IV - iii - II - I - V - VI - IV

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

That is a brilliant statement of the theme, and hardly restrained.

Silvestri's end title cue (The Avengers) gets a full replay in the end credits of this film. As does Helicarrier.


To you. To me, yes it is a great statement of a theme, but the theme itself nevertheless leaves me feeling unsatisfied. There's something about the way the theme is constructed, something about the weak chord progression in minor [i, V, iv, III, ii, i is it?] that feels like it never goes anywhere.


Are sure about that progression?

Isn't it in minor though? You’re right about the major VI (which would be the major IV in minor), giving the second part of the theme that blind burst of major partway through. So let's say: i-V-iv-III-ii-i; i-V-IV--III-ii-i maybe? Regardless it feels like a weak progression to me...

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   aldan   (Member)

Elfman's cues is way better.
What is the real main theme bytheway? That Elfman-silvestri hybrid theme, or the one created by Tyler which is hugely overshadowed by the old one?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   BrendenG   (Member)

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Isn't it in minor though? You’re right about the major VI (which would be the major IV in minor), giving the second part of the theme that blind burst of major partway through. So let's say: i-V-iv-III-ii-i; i-V-IV--III-ii-i maybe? Regardless it feels like a weak progression to me...


I think it's in B flat.

 
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