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 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   BrendenG   (Member)

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Isn't it in minor though? You’re right about the major VI (which would be the major IV in minor), giving the second part of the theme that blind burst of major partway through. So let's say: i-V-iv-III-ii-i; i-V-IV--III-ii-i maybe? Regardless it feels like a weak progression to me...


I think it's in B flat.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Three tracks in and this is already 10 times better than Silvestri's Marvel scores.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

Three tracks in and this is already 10 times better than Silvestri's Marvel scores.

Yes, true story cool

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

"Seoul Searching"? Did Giacchino ghost write the track titles?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

I'm generally not much of an Elfman fan, but really enjoying his work on this.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Three tracks in and this is already 10 times better than Silvestri's Marvel scores.

id...id... idi...

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 3:36 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

As much as I like a lot of Silvestri scores, something about his Cap and Avengers themes bug the crap out of me. Cloying and trite is the best way I can describe it,.... .


id..id... idi....

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

As much as I like a lot of Silvestri scores, something about his Cap and Avengers themes bug the crap out of me. Cloying and trite is the best way I can describe it, the way the themes feel so restrained. They always descend without ever getting to stretch into something properly heroic.

I think what you describe enchanced the tension between the Avengers team. That sense of it never coming together until it finally does in that brilliant moment when the camera pans around the team. I mean who can forget that moment? It was brilliant! And, I don't think it would have been nearly as memorable if we got his full theme straight away. Silvestri has been scoring films for 30+ years. He knows how to serve story with his music, something I think Tyler has yet to figure out.


Finally, someone with brains!

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

As much as I like a lot of Silvestri scores, something about his Cap and Avengers themes bug the crap out of me. Cloying and trite is the best way I can describe it, the way the themes feel so restrained. They always descend without ever getting to stretch into something properly heroic.

I think what you describe enchanced the tension between the Avengers team. That sense of it never coming together until it finally does in that brilliant moment when the camera pans around the team. I mean who can forget that moment? It was brilliant! And, I don't think it would have been nearly as memorable if we got his full theme straight away. Silvestri has been scoring films for 30+ years. He knows how to serve story with his music, something I think Tyler has yet to figure out.


Finally, someone with brains!


So I have to listen to an hours worth of forgettable music so I can finally hear something memorable in the end? (which by the way I don't remember) Forget that, give me Star Wars, Rocketeer, heck even Silverstri knocked it out of the park with Judge Dredd so he has it in him.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

As much as I like a lot of Silvestri scores, something about his Cap and Avengers themes bug the crap out of me. Cloying and trite is the best way I can describe it, the way the themes feel so restrained. They always descend without ever getting to stretch into something properly heroic.

I think what you describe enchanced the tension between the Avengers team. That sense of it never coming together until it finally does in that brilliant moment when the camera pans around the team. I mean who can forget that moment? It was brilliant! And, I don't think it would have been nearly as memorable if we got his full theme straight away. Silvestri has been scoring films for 30+ years. He knows how to serve story with his music, something I think Tyler has yet to figure out.


Finally, someone with brains!


So I have to listen to an hours worth of forgettable music so I can finally hear something memorable in the end?



No, you should listen to my resequenced version of the soundtrack which makes for an excellent 35 minute experience! (its over at Intrada :MARVEL'S THE AVENGERS; THE ALBUM"

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

I searched YouTube and found nothing. perhaps it was reported for copyright violation.

Here is the playlist:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKYq1YUeKWf0ESJEcDtZHIXEJXHBr-qcB

Edit: And 12 hours later, they're gone.


Sounds like Elfman was really brought in to make some of the moments more thematic. Tyler certainly is a very capable composer, but a lot of his stuff is wall to wall just.. noise.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   GustavoJoseph   (Member)



The rumor is the Kevin Feige, didn't like the score for the first film.



It makes sense, it's a possible explanation about who is guilty about Marvel movies lack of care with continuity in music, maybe he's another superproducer a la Bruckheimer who doesn't have the best musical taste in the world.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   KeoNato   (Member)

Just a few thoughts after a listen --

Definitely not the train wreck I was worried about. Elfman's work is the highlight for me, for sure though. Cues like "Heroes" and "Avengers Unite" are truly bravura. Elfman seems to be dialing things up to 11 to ape Tyler's sound, but his contributions to action scenes are a lot more cohesive.

I agree with the above sentiment that Tyler doesn't give his action writing room to breathe. It's so over-orchestrated, to the point that it's nearly impossible to track a single ostinato through all the muck.

With that said, Tyler's quieter tracks such as "Birth of Ultron" and "Vision" are very strong (even if the latter fails to develop into anything substantial.) Interesting to note that each composers' strongest tracks seem to play against conventional wisdom -- Tyler excelling at atmospherics and Elfman knocking it out of the park with the big fanfares.

The "hybrid theme" is an interesting take -- nice to see some experimentation. However I do miss Silvestri's original a bit.

Would have killed to hear Elfman score this from start to finish though.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

This feels stylistically all over the place. You've got Brian Tyler trying (and poorly) emulating Alan Silvestri with Danny Elfman doing damage control all throughout. Everything is way overscored. Tyler doesn't seem to have any concept of restraint. He doesn't give his sounds space to exist and crams so much in that it's hard to really make out what it's all hanging on. His references to his own themes for Iron Man and Thor—themes that are hardly distinguisable from one another—are so brief that it seems a bit masturbatory to even reference them. I think Silvestri's to not do that is one of the strengths of the first film.

I guess I am just really disappointed with this. I don't understand why they moved foward with this guy. He just doesn't have what it takes to pull something like this off which was clear to me before he was hired. It was no surprise when they announced Elfman had been brought on board.

I don't get it. Maybe Silvestri's fee is too high or something? If they didn't want to go with Silvestri again they should have pulled Henry Jackman. His work on The Winter Soldier was excellent.


It would have been nice if they had gone with someone else altogether. I wasn't a fan of the work we got from any of the previous marvel scores so far including Doyle's work for Thor. Clearly there is a certain sound the producers want regardless of how horrible it is musically (though Tyler's bombast works great in the film despite being ultimately forgettable). It is completely possible to have a score that has all the heroic sound that they are trying for here while actually having counterpoint and giving the music a chance to breathe. I'm surprised anyone is able to recognize the different themes from Tyler's previous scores (and even The Winter Soldier) considering how generic they are but in other discussions I read claims of people recognizing all of them.

Certainly Patrick Doyle and Alan Silvestri have the chops to do something better. Danny Elfman as well. But they are all getting restrained by the producers such that it wouldn't matter if they brought in John Scott (never going to happen) but we would still have a similar sound (if he didn't quit first).

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 9:10 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

The rumor is the Kevin Feige, didn't like the score for the first film.

It makes sense, it's a possible explanation about who is guilty about Marvel movies lack of care with continuity in music, maybe he's another superproducer a la Bruckheimer who doesn't have the best musical taste in the world.


Or possibly he's the Rick Berman of Marvel.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2015 - 11:05 PM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

The Hybrid theme starts with almost the same notes as that Thor fanfare, but in another rhythm.

Thor 2: short - short - short - long - long
Avenger 2: long -short - short - long

could be a coincidence, since harmony is different and the intervals are not exactly the same.

I miss the harmonic backing and bass line of Silvestri's theme, which made
it so bad-ass and also cool.
Elfman eliminated that a bit when abandoning those.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2015 - 2:43 AM   
 By:   Coco314   (Member)

Saw the movie. Like its poster, the word that comes to mind is overstuffed. Truly a lot of characters, action, one liners to the point there are almost too much of them, although all of these have great moments. You’re never bored but the story has a lot to tell and some plot point are handled so quickly that they lose their dramatic weight.
You can’t fault Whedon for not trying everything, and the movie is stretched between a bit of extra darkness and not taking itself too seriously -up to a point where one character basically says how ludicrous this kind of movies may look. It tries to give quiet character moments to everyone but some of them fall seriously flat and too sentimental imho. Ultron itself talks a lot but, by the time we reach the climax, he doesn’t feel that much a huge threat to the team – while the first part of the movie succeeded in making them vulnerable.
Excellent FX as expected, in the end, this opus feels more disconnected, and the warmth and simplicity of the first movie is partly gone. Entertaining, funny and spectacular, the movie has a “been there, done that-Marvel” feel to it, and is certainly not a standout movie like the first Iron Man or Avengers.

As for the score, may be it works fine on its own (haven’t heard it), but can’t say it made a huge difference in the movie, especially under the sensory assault of the action sequences where I could barely remember if there was music or not. The only standout stuff is the reprise here and there of Silvestri’s theme. End credits have two consecutive title cards, “Music by Brian Tyler” “ Music by Danny Elfman”, playing, I believe, right under Silvestri’s fanfare smile (Silvestri is credited for “the Avengers theme” at the end of the end credits for those waiting for a post-credit scene that is not there, there is just a mid-one)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2015 - 2:53 AM   
 By:   Membership Expired   (Member)

I saw in the credits that Tyler recorded with two London orchestra's and Elfman had no orchestra credit. Which makes me assume he recorded in Hollywood.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2015 - 5:07 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Or maybe Tyler conducted Elfman's music?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2015 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   crocodile   (Member)

Here is our review of the score as heard in the film. No real spoilers, just some general comments:

http://www.filmsonwax.co.uk/ultron-in-film/

Karol

 
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