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How do you see Deep Rising in the clue? I'm not saying it isn't of course. I've only seen the film like twice. I must be missing a clue or something? I read the appetite clue thing, but couldn't that be several movies?
I'm never good at guessing these things by the way.
Can you think of another late 90's Disney action score with a "high seas" plot that previously had an album but has been oft requested for expansion? :-)
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Jun 5, 2014 - 8:40 PM
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jwb
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Its Deep Rising. How do I know? Because Doug banned me for asking a simple question if we needed more of it than what was released.
His response:
A personal comment, admittedly defensive, and why I'm happy to have JWB no longer a member of our Forum discussions:
The answer to his obviously sarcastic query is no. Of course it's no. We don't "need" any of these albums. Therapy aside, we don't need these albums to survive. One can argue about the genuine necessity of music for survival in a world of chaos, but I'm not articulate enough to make the case.
However, in spite of JWB, I have devoted a literal lifetime to making these albums available for those precious listeners who "want" them. Some are hits, some are misses, some people like, some people don't. But the the efforts to preserve them remain valid because I'm also helping preserve and perpetuate a magnificent musical art form for future generations. Sure, I have opinions about the music. I'll play The Wind And The Lion a hundred more times before playing La Cage Aux Folles III again. But that's only my opinion. I would try not to "judge" either one's musical merits per se, but would instead prefer to see them both saved so others down the line could contemplate the merits for themselves.
To me, the music of Jerry Goldsmith, including Deep Rising, is as valid a component of our global musical heritage as is the work of Brahms and Beethoven and Copland and so on and so forth. Be it "better" music, or "worse" music... well, thankfully, we get to make choices like that for ourselves.
Only 33 minutes of Goldsmith's hour long score were presented by Hollywood Records, and even those highlights have been unavailable for some time. I am happy - in fact I am proud - to be able to put together the entire hour for anyone who may find pleasure in the efforts. I'm grateful to Roger, in fact to our entire team, for sharing the goal of making as much film music available as we can, allowing each of you the chance to decide for yourself whether the various projects are worthy of your time and money.
I have no idea who JWB is - but he's not the listener I had in mind when I sweated blood to make the album possible. I'm confident he'll never achieve dreams as big as what we've done here at Intrada... the same kind that all those Townsons, Kendalls, Kimmels, Gerhards, Thaxtons and many others have also sweated blood to realize. And why am I so sure JWB will likely remain an unimportant and self-centered individual? The answer comes from his own words. To him the world revolves only around what "he" wants. He can think no farther.
Thankfully, the world is a lot larger than he.
--Doug
And since I am not able to respond to Doug, I will here: you have got to be one of the most smug individuals I have thankfully never met. And that whole dramatic performance proves it. I will tell you who I am Doug. Apparently, no one. You aren't anyone if you don't necessarily agree with everything Intrada does. They don't want you. They don't exist. How about this: I'll gladly accept my money back in return of all the CDs I have bought from you, since I am not the listener you want. Deal?
I am an Intrada customer, Doug. Someone who has spent thousands supporting you. But apparently that doesn't matter unless I bend over for you. Perhaps there will be many happy to see an expanded Deep Rising. Good for them. I am not, and so what? Did I say I speak for everyone? I did not.
Now, I will tell you who you are not. The second coming like you act to be. Maybe in your own mind and on the forum you control you are the big man. To make the assumption that what you are doing is more important than what I or anyone else does shows truly how ignorant you truly are.
Oh and correction: I was an Intrada customer. No need to further boost your ego. Its big enough. The hats suit you.
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You guys sure know your music. I'm in awe of you 
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Jun 6, 2014 - 8:28 AM
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bdm
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"And since I am not able to respond to Doug, I will here...I am an Intrada customer, Doug. Someone who has spent thousands supporting you. But apparently that doesn't matter unless I bend over for you. Perhaps there will be many happy to see an expanded Deep Rising. Good for them. I am not, and so what? Did I say I speak for everyone? I did not.
Now, I will tell you who you are not. The second coming like you act to be. Maybe in your own mind and on the forum you control you are the big man...Oh and correction: I was an Intrada customer. No need to further boost your ego. Its big enough. The hats suit you."
jwb,
I wasn't party to the full discussion, but your response here, partially quoted above, could leave one having the same view of you as you have of Doug....
There is one reaction I felt to your post that is key: your statement, "Maybe in your own mind and on the forum you control you are the big man..." Exactly right; that is HIS forum, he DOES control it, and he IS the big man there, a fact that is often forgotten by many who participate in forums on the net in general, myself included.
When we post in these forums, we sit in our homes and put out our opinions freely - why not; we're at home, forgetting that we are not "home" on that forum, WE ARE GUESTS IN ANOTHER'S HOME.
We all need to remember that this forum is not ours, it's FSM's, and FSM sets the rules. Intrada's forum is Intrada's, and they set the rules. In other words, when we VISIT those places, we are GUESTS in someone else's home, and should behave accordingly - something rarely done on the net.
If you were a guest in my home, and held a view that really pushed one of my buttons, I would ask you to refrain from further discussion. If you persisted, I would ask you to leave my home, and whether our relationship continued would depend on our history.
Based on your post here, it seems a valid conclusion this is exactly what occurred over at that forum; you're absolutely entitled to your opinions and feelings, but not to where you can freely express them, as location matters, and manners at times need to dictate what is said, and what is kept to oneself. I am sorry you now wish to ostracise Intrada products completely, as you have enjoyed some to the tune of thousands in the past (and I think I have too; wowsers, that's a lot of money!), but it's a choice you are free to make; it's sad when a friendship ends, but it does happen.
As to the possibility of DEEP RISING, I would find myself adding to those thousands already spent....
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It's funny, a lot of people dismissed Deep Rising back when it came out. It was certainly "lesser" Goldsmith. Time has been kind to it, only due to the decline of the art of film composition. Deep Rising is almost really good now. If Intrada is looking for a pull-quote from Jeff, look no further than these, from his review in the Philip Glass issue:
"...some of the most lifeless descending brass scales in the Goldsmith ouevre."
"hearken[s] depressingly back to the one-note, galumphing horror marches of Leviathan."
"It’s doubtful that the memory of Deep Rising will linger long after the end of the millennium."
It really does play way better now, though! Interested to hear the rest.
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It's still far and away Stephen Sommers' best movie.
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It's still far and away Stephen Sommers' best movie.
Which is sayin' something. Have you seen Odd Thomas? More like....Bad....Thom....Movie.....
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Is DEEP RISING now good (or better) because everything else these days is crap (or worse)?
Discuss?
I just said that, Kev! And yes. I liked some of it back when, but it seriously sounds like The Sand Pebbles compared to what we're getting these days.
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Is DEEP RISING now good (or better) because everything else these days is crap (or worse)?
Discuss?
lol
Sadly, yes
I just had this conversation with a buddy of mine not too long ago saying Demolition Man and Dennis the Menace are actually not that bad compared to most films I see nowadays.
Maybe some films age like fine wine!
MV
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Demolition Man was good back in 1993, too, though. Dennis The Menace, on the other hand...
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