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 Posted:   Jun 14, 2021 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Played by the Jong Metropole Orchestra, arranged by Jim McNeely.

Imagine if "Chinatown" were set in the early 1970s.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2021 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


Interesting arrangement, thanks for sharing!

I looked up the conductor of that piece, she's quite accomplished!

https://www.mihohazama.com/bio

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2021 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Interesting arrangement, thanks for sharing!

If it were commercially available, I would buy it in a second.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2021 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

Goldy?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2021 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Goldy?

I was concerned that "Goldsmith" might not fit in the title, so I decided to use his nickname.

Looks like "Goldsmith" does fit after all, so I have changed it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2021 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

60 years or so ago I might have used this version to entice someone to "come see my etchings." LOL

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2021 - 5:47 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

It sounds like music for a follow-up TV movie sequel in which things are a little better for Jake. That's not a slight, just the musical vibe I get from it, like Chinatown with a slight Archer detour.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2021 - 6:25 AM   
 By:   El Aurence   (Member)

Beautiful arrangement of the famous theme.

Thanks legendary OnyaBirri for sharing.

As a huge fan of the seventies and particularly this kind of music I enjoyed it.

Very nice.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2021 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Beautiful arrangement of the famous theme.

Thanks legendary OnyaBirri for sharing.

As a huge fan of the seventies and particularly this kind of music I enjoyed it.

Very nice.


Thanks for the kind words! It is really fascinating to hear the theme arranged that way. It is like the main title for an alternate universe film we've never seen!

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2021 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Nothing to add to the positive comments here, 'cept agreed!

Here's another cool Chinatown arrangement with some sweet improvisation.

Terence Blanchard Chinatown

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2021 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

60 years or so ago I might have used this version to entice someone to "come see my etchings." LOL

60 years ago, an arrangement like this would not have existed. 50 years ago, sure, but not 60.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2021 - 5:52 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

Trumpet players are better kissers.
And that guy was cute.

But was that why I listened to the whole video??? big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2021 - 11:40 PM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

Nothing to add to the positive comments here, 'cept agreed!

Here's another cool Chinatown arrangement with some sweet improvisation.

Terence Blanchard Chinatown


Blanchard is an excellent trumpet player, love this version!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2021 - 12:39 AM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jun 19, 2021 - 3:29 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

I just got around to hearing those. Onya's YT upload of the Jong Metropole rendition would have fit in very nicely with the source cues written by John Williams for THE TOWERING INFERNO and the like.

Another thing I always thought is that the original Goldsmith theme has a notoriously "difficult" resolve after the sweeping string passage, not easy to replicate. It's almost Herrmannesque. I'm not sure if it sounds a bit clumsy even in the OST. Possibly not, but in the Jong Metropole "easy listening" version, the brass and woodwinds seem to be playing a very uncomfortable sequence.

The Vince Mendoza one is good. The "unusual" part I referred to previously seems to work by just faithfully reproducing it. I notice that Terence Blanchard avoided it altogether, perhaps wisely, changing it to a more "standard" jazz form.

Right, that's enough "inverted commas" for one post.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2021 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I just got around to hearing those. Onya's YT upload of the Jong Metropole rendition would have fit in very nicely with the source cues written by John Williams for THE TOWERING INFERNO and the like.

Another thing I always thought is that the original Goldsmith theme has a notoriously "difficult" resolve after the sweeping string passage, not easy to replicate. It's almost Herrmannesque. I'm not sure if it sounds a bit clumsy even in the OST. Possibly not, but in the Jong Metropole "easy listening" version, the brass and woodwinds seem to be playing a very uncomfortable sequence.

The Vince Mendoza one is good. The "unusual" part I referred to previously seems to work by just faithfully reproducing it. I notice that Terence Blanchard avoided it altogether, perhaps wisely, changing it to a more "standard" jazz form.

Right, that's enough "inverted commas" for one post.


Graham, it sounds like Blanchard subtly reharmonizes the section that you refer to.

When you refer to it as a "difficult resolve," do you mean from a technical standpoint, or that the resolution sounds forced to your ears? I ask this question because I have encountered tunes over the years that I feel have a forced resolutions that don't really seem to work. I never thought this about "Chinatown," but I have about others.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2021 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Yes Onya, I meant that Blanchard had reharmonized that "difficult" section. Not "technically difficult" but rather, using your own expression, a sort of "forced" resolve. Almost clumsy to my ears, not so much in the original Goldsmith piece , but certainly when trying to adapt it into a slightly different form.

Which tunes have you heard over the years which seem to have a forced resolution?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2021 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Yes Onya, I meant that Blanchard had reharmonized that "difficult" section. Not "technically difficult" but rather, using your own expression, a sort of "forced" resolve. Almost clumsy to my ears, not so much in the original Goldsmith piece , but certainly when trying to adapt it into a slightly different form.

I think the Herrmannesque aspect that you hear occurs when the strings start the downward arpeggio and they begin with a D natural over an Ab major chord, the infamous tritone interval that Herrmann loved.

What may sound forced to you is the resolution from the Ab major to the D minor 7th. It does not sound forced to me, but I can understand why some may feel that way.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2021 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   El Aurence   (Member)

Very nice too is this live 2011 Vince Mendoza arranged version of CHINATOWN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajokv0IdsYI



Mr. Schreurs!

Superb version. Also very listenable and interesting arrangement.

Besides: Also the Blanchard Version is great (but it was not new to me).

The fact that there seem to be so many variations and arrangements of this theme makes me wonder.

What kind of quality does Jerry Goldsmiths Theme have that it attracts so many musicians, especially in the way they arrange this tune?

Is it the melody or is there even more? Timeless elegance? Lightness? Is there kind of noir-romance in that melody?

People are mostly attracted to melody but I think in this case it seems to be more.

What do you think?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 19, 2021 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

What kind of quality does Jerry Goldsmiths Theme have that it attracts so many musicians, especially in the way they arrange this tune?

Is it the melody or is there even more? Timeless elegance? Lightness? Is there kind of noir-romance in that melody?


I think it is in part the juxtaposition of the minor chords, along with the melody. In pop songs, you typically didn't get a minor 9th chord on the tonic followed by a minor 9th chord on the fifth, at least not until the very late 1960s or early 70s.

The minor chords on the two A sections, combined with the melody, create a melancholic and introspective mood.

The chords and melody of the B section offer a take on the more common elements of a so-called "Great American Songbook" song. This ties the theme to the era portrayed in the film.

The C sequence contains elements of both the A and B sections in terms of mood, chords, and approach, if not exact melodies.

So, I would say that the theme is simultaneously of its era (early 70s) while harkening to an earlier era.

 
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