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 Posted:   Apr 4, 2021 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

It is also easy for me to adjust a recording with a huge dynamic range to fit into less than ideal listening circumstances, by using either software or the volume button, it would be impossible to restore the original dynamic range of a recording when I sit down and listen to it. So if there ever were a recording with a dynamic range too large, no biggie, I'd just fix that in a minute. But dynamics lost cannot be restored.

Agree completely. High fidelity (a useful though now uncommon term) means faithful reproduction of all aspects of the original (insofar as practical in a home environment). Dynamics are fundamental to musical performance and are particularly challenging in orchestral music. I do wish, however, that the tech wizards would build adjustable compression capabilities into ordinary home equipment for those occasions when critical listening is not possible.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2021 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I do wish, however, that the tech wizards would build adjustable compression capabilities into ordinary home equipment for those occasions when critical listening is not possible.

I am surprised that this never caught on.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 4, 2021 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I've come across a number of classical recordings (particularly solo instrument recordings, such as the cello) that just can't be listened to in the car because the ambient noise drowns out the subtleties of the music. Boosting the volume doesn't help; it just all turns to distortion.

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2021 - 1:22 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I've come across a number of classical recordings (particularly solo instrument recordings, such as the cello) that just can't be listened to in the car because the ambient noise drowns out the subtleties of the music. Boosting the volume doesn't help; it just all turns to distortion.

Yes, those nuances will obviously be lost in a noisy car. There is not a single Mahler Symphony or recording of Daphnis et Chloe that can be listened to in a noisy car. That is simply not music suited for "car listening". I do a lot of music listening in my car, and some music requires too much attention and has a too high dynamic range or as so many subtleties that it is unfit for car listening. Any attempt to alter the music for car listening destroys it. (Unless maybe you drive a Bentley, they are very quiet.)
But it's silly to listen to music with a huge dynamic range and then complain that it has a huge dynamic range. There is lots of other music better suited for car listening.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2021 - 5:32 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

What was the car that used to advertise that the loudest sound you will hear is the ticking of the clock? I'm sure I couldn't afford it.

In my opinion very little serious music is appropriate for automotive listening. Archival soundtracks, on the other hand, work well in this environment. Their problematic aspects (limited dynamics, musical fragmentation, and excessive repetition) become tolerable on the road.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2021 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

There is not a single Mahler Symphony or recording of Daphnis et Chloe that can be listened to in a noisy car. That is simply not music suited for "car listening".

Strictly speaking, no music is truly suited for "car listening," as I can't drink while I drive. Symphonic music is, above all else, cocktail music, and I prefer to pair "Daphnis et Chloe" with a classic rum cocktail, such as a rum barrel or jet pilot.

Having said that, I have the CD of "Daphnis et Chloe" on RCA Living Stereo by Munch and the BSO, which I highly compressed specifically for long car trips or background music while cleaning. It works very well in those contexts.

Incidentally, Bob DiMucci will be interested to learn that the CD in question uses the cover art from the later stereo recording, but includes the previously unreleased stereo recording of the original mono album. So there is at least one record label precedent for mixing and matching recordings and cover art.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2021 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

Before I forget, thank you for the compliment back a ways in this thread.! I tend to accept criticism and divert praise. But thank you! Now back to the topic...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2021 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Before I forget, thank you for the compliment back a ways in this thread.! I tend to accept criticism and divert praise. But thank you! Now back to the topic...

I start lots of conceptual threads here that end up dying. Your post is indicative of the kind of responses I hope to receive, yet rarely do!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2021 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Having said that, I have the CD of "Daphnis et Chloe" on RCA Living Stereo by Munch and the BSO, which I highly compressed specifically for long car trips or background music while cleaning. It works very well in those contexts.

Incidentally, Bob DiMucci will be interested to learn that the CD in question uses the cover art from the later stereo recording, but includes the previously unreleased stereo recording of the original mono album. So there is at least one record label precedent for mixing and matching recordings and cover art.



Here, I believe we have the situation that you thought existed with "The Rite of Spring." The first stereo version of Munch's "Daphnis et Chloe" that was released on LP (with a new "Living Stereo" cover) was the one recorded in 1955, and released then only in mono. The stereo version of that 1955 recording appeared in 1960. That 1960 stereo cover art was also used for the CD releases of the 1955 stereo version. Munch re-recorded the piece in 1961 (which came out in yet a third cover), but that recording has never appeared on CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2021 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Having said that, I have the CD of "Daphnis et Chloe" on RCA Living Stereo by Munch and the BSO, which I highly compressed specifically for long car trips or background music while cleaning. It works very well in those contexts.

Incidentally, Bob DiMucci will be interested to learn that the CD in question uses the cover art from the later stereo recording, but includes the previously unreleased stereo recording of the original mono album. So there is at least one record label precedent for mixing and matching recordings and cover art.



Here, I believe we have the situation that you thought existed with "The Rite of Spring." The first stereo version of Munch's "Daphnis et Chloe" that was released on LP (with a new "Living Stereo" cover) was the one recorded in 1955, and released then only in mono. The stereo version of that 1955 recording appeared in 1960. That 1960 stereo cover art has been used for all subsequent LP and CD releases of the 1955 stereo version. Munch re-recorded the piece in 1961 (which came out in yet a third cover), but that recording has never appeared on CD.


But the 1955 version had different cover art: a photograph, along with a gatefold featuring Andy Warhol illustrations.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2021 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Here's what I think we have:

Recorded 1955 - Cover used for mono release only in 1955


Recorded 1955 - Cover used for stereo LP release in 1960 and CD release in 1993
[Note same catalog number - 1893 - except for LSC (stereo) designation vs. LM (mono designation)]


Recorded in 1961 - Cover used for mono and stereo releases in 1961 - No CD release


So, "The Rite of Spring" has a mono performance in one cover and a different, stereo performance in a second cover.

"Daphnis et Chloe" has a mono performance in one cover, and the same stereo performance in a different cover.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2021 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

"Daphnis et Chloe" has a mono performance in one cover, and the same stereo performance in a different cover.

OK, thanks for clarifying.

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2021 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

This is the recording that I first owned. (Complete version, I should say; I also had the charming, but severely edited, Fantasia/Stokowski record.)



How do you Rite-heads here (who are familiar with this Mehta recording) compare it to other versions?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2021 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

I think that was Metha's debut recording with the Philharmonic. The cover perfectly illustrates the marketing strategy of the day: "cool," "hip," etc. It didn't work out. They lost the Columbia contract and ceased to be a regular presence on records. Metha got the blame, but the same thing was starting to happen across the industry.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2021 - 7:45 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

How do you Rite-heads here (who are familiar with this Mehta recording) compare it to other versions?

How can you get excited about "The Rite of Spring" with cover art like that?!?

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2021 - 12:15 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

How do you Rite-heads here (who are familiar with this Mehta recording) compare it to other versions?

How can you get excited about "The Rite of Spring" with cover art like that?!?


Yes, the cover isn't going to do it here.
In the "custom cover" threads are many fine alternative artworks for soundtrack albums. This cover is a pledge for an analog thread for classical music covers. smile
(I can't comment on the performance, because I have not heard it.)

 
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