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 Posted:   Apr 24, 2019 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

Can anyone tell me why Silvestri did not return for the two Russo brother's Captain America films, yet scored their two Avenger films? Also, why was Silvestri not brought on board for the second Avengers film? Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2019 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   cormoranstrike   (Member)

Can anyone tell me why Silvestri did not return for the two Russo brother's Captain America films, yet scored their two Avenger films? Also, why was Silvestri not brought on board for the second Avengers film? Thanks.

Well, I don't know if there has ever been any definite official reasons given in public, so all I have to go on are rumors of behind-the-scenes stuff. And the likeliest reason I have heard is Ike Perlmutter, CEO of Marvel Entertainment. For years there was talk of Kevin Feige and Perlmutter having clashes behind the scenes with regards to creative decisions and hiring of people.

For example Perlmutter is reportedly responsible for replacing Terrence Howard with Don Cheadle, because according to his contract, Howard was due a huge pay rise for an Iron Man sequel. Perlmutter loves saving any penny he can, where ever he can, and since "black people all look the same" to him, no brainer. There are even anecdotes of him limiting sodas to one per person at press events, and their press events running out of food. Many a time there were stories in the press of difficult renegotiations with actors, like with Sam Jackson almost quitting as Fury because he was not getting paid enough. If Perlmutter could've fired Robert Downey Jr., he would have, just to save money. He must've had an aneurysm looking at his paychecks.

And like actors, composers also get a pay rise when they return for a sequel. So what do you think a man like Perlmutter has to say about that? "Get a new one, it's cheaper." Creatives like Kevin Feige and the directors most likely would've preferred keeping more continuity with the music and composers, but they have to pick their battles, and sometimes they win, sometimes they lose.

Things finally came to a head between Feige and Perlmutter during the making of Civil War. Perlmutter was not willing to pay to get Robert Downey Jr. for the film. Apparently Feige had to get Alan Horn/Disney to step in, and it must've been a "either he goes or I go" situation, since suddenly in late 2015 we got news that Feige was now reporting directly to Disney, and Perlmutter had no more say in the Marvel film productions.

Maybe it's just a coincidence that ever since Perlmutter got "put aside", we suddenly see Silvestri returning to score Avengers sequels and other composers returning more consistently as well to score sequels in the MCU.

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2019 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

It is sad to me how little love Thor: The Dark World gets.

And that cue when we come upon Asgard...tricky Dick would have liked it lol!


Nixon?

Can anyone tell me why Silvestri did not return for the two Russo brother's Captain America films, yet scored their two Avenger films? Also, why was Silvestri not brought on board for the second Avengers film? Thanks.

I have no facts, only guesses. Russo brothers wanted to go in a very different direction for Cap. I don't know if Whedon wanted Silvestri for Avengers or not. Just judging by actors Whedon sticks with the same folks, so that surprised me when Silvestri didn't come back.

Tyler was momentarily Marvel's golden boy. (Two consecutive movies, the first Marvel fanfare, and the second Avengers.) But then it appears he got in over his head (or something else went wrong) and they brought in Elfman. Ultron remains the most existing theme filled film in the MCU. (I don't know why, but Tyler's light, bouncy take on Cap's theme in Thor: The Dark World is just about my favorite.)

This is the most guess-y: After all the rigamarole on Ultron (whatever it was) Marvel probably wanted to go back to tried and true for Infinity War. I don't know if Silvestri was the Russo's choice or the studio's.

Does anyone know how much of a score guy Kevin Feige is?

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2019 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   David-R.   (Member)


Tyler was momentarily Marvel's golden boy. (Two consecutive movies, the first Marvel fanfare, and the second Avengers.) But then it appears he got in over his head (or something else went wrong) and they brought in Elfman. Ultron remains the most existing theme filled film in the MCU. (I don't know why, but Tyler's light, bouncy take on Cap's theme in Thor: The Dark World is just about my favorite.)

This is the most guess-y: After all the rigamarole on Ultron (whatever it was) Marvel probably wanted to go back to tried and true for Infinity War. I don't know if Silvestri was the Russo's choice or the studio's.

Does anyone know how much of a score guy Kevin Feige is?


From what I remember reading on this forum around 2015, Brian Tyler was not available for rescoring and was working on another project, even though his contract with Marvel was supposed to make sure he was available. Someone else (Elfman) had to be found to finish the work. Due to this, bridges were burned. They even replaced Tyler's Marvel Fanfare by having Michael Giacchino compose a new one.

 
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