I'm with you, Jim. Winter Soldier is one of my favorite scores. The big rising leap that's the first few notes of Cap's theme is so simple, yet manages to convey so much heroism and melancholy at the same time. The first time the motive appears in Lemurian Star, the big brass chord accompanying it is just beautiful. I also find the string ostinato that's the backbone of a lot of the score to be a real ear worm.
All of that would already make for a pretty good score in my book, but then I'm a real sucker for sophisticated electronic sounds, which Jackman also delivered in spades. I'm still struggling with the Civil War soundtrack because everything I loved about Winter Soldier thematically and tonally just evaporated.
The Tyler logo fanfare was written for Marvel once it became a separate entity but owned by Disney and was used up to the renaming and creation of Marvel Studios, with the new logo.
The Giacchino fanfare was written for that, and was unveiled with the Phase 3 films. They serve different purposes.
All of that would already make for a pretty good score in my book, but then I'm a real sucker for sophisticated electronic sounds, which Jackman also delivered in spades. I'm still struggling with the Civil War soundtrack because everything I loved about Winter Soldier thematically and tonally just evaporated.
I don't rave about Winter Solidier. I like it. Some of it I like a lot.
But I don't think I can identify a single note of Civil War. What happened?
I don't think I can identify a single note of Civil War. What happened?
It's taken me several listens to the score and viewings of the film, but I love the almost tragic theme which is heard throughout the score. There's a more optimistic and quietly heroic rendition heard during the end credits ("Cap's Promise"), although even that has a hint of sad finality to it.
Captain America: Civil War has taken two years (where has the time gone?!?) to grow on me, but it finally has.
It's taken me several listens to the score and viewings of the film, but I love the almost tragic theme which is heard throughout the score. There's a more optimistic and quietly heroic rendition heard during the end credits ("Cap's Promise"), although even that has a hint of sad finality to it.
Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that. It's like Zemo's theme or something, right? Or maybe it's just a general sadness theme. I do remember it being baked in pretty consistently. There's also a new staccato string action motif, but I don't find it nearly as satisfying as the original. The last thing I recall is a three-note rising brass motif - typical hero stuff that's actually hinted at in Winter Soldier.
Anyways, I should follow your lead and give it a few more spins.
Also, have you heard this more traditional take on the CA: Winter Soldier themes? I like how even the delicate conversational melodies get a big heroic treatment. I can't for the life of me figure out why this is unreleased. Maybe this'll win over a few.
Also, have you heard this more traditional take on the CA: Winter Soldier themes? I like how even the delicate conversational melodies get a big heroic treatment. I can't for the life of me figure out why this is unreleased. Maybe this'll win over a few.
It's a bit "busy" for my taste, though others here may find it to be more along the lines of what Alan Silvestri might have done with the first Cap film. I prefer the subdued, mournful, and coldly paranoid results Jackman provided in Winter Soldier's finished score.
Thanks for posting it, though; it's always interesting to know what "might have been."
It's taken me several listens to the score and viewings of the film, but I love the almost tragic theme which is heard throughout the score. There's a more optimistic and quietly heroic rendition heard during the end credits ("Cap's Promise"), although even that has a hint of sad finality to it.
Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that. It's like Zemo's theme or something, right? Or maybe it's just a general sadness theme. I do remember it being baked in pretty consistently. There's also a new staccato string action motif, but I don't find it nearly as satisfying as the original. The last thing I recall is a three-note rising brass motif - typical hero stuff that's actually hinted at in Winter Soldier.
Anyways, I should follow your lead and give it a few more spins.
I think Jackman was aiming for the "tragedy of misunderstanding" since it was the theme of Civil War itself. We get the duel between Cap-Bucky and Iron Man as well as the one between Zemo and Black Panther. I do believe there's a mournful rendition of BP's flute theme when he and Zemo are talking. Nicely done by The Jack Man!
It's a bit "busy" for my taste, though others here may find it to be more along the lines of what Alan Silvestri might have done with the first Cap film. I prefer the subdued, mournful, and coldly paranoid results Jackman provided in Winter Soldier's finished score.
Thanks for posting it, though; it's always interesting to know what "might have been."
That piece isn't an alternate, it closes off the end credits in the film.
It's a bit "busy" for my taste, though others here may find it to be more along the lines of what Alan Silvestri might have done with the first Cap film. I prefer the subdued, mournful, and coldly paranoid results Jackman provided in Winter Soldier's finished score.
Thanks for posting it, though; it's always interesting to know what "might have been."
That piece isn't an alternate, it closes off the end credits in the film.
LOL! Son of a gun! So it does! This is what happens when I quit coffee (four days and counting).
I stand by my opinion of the cue, though with one small change: ("I prefer the MOSTLY subdued, mournful, and coldly paranoid results Jackman provided in Winter Soldier's finished score.")
The running time of the CD is 75 minutes. Too bad the aforementioned end credits cue couldn't have gone on in place of the Marvin Gaye song (no disrespect intended to MG) or the Harry James tune (also no disrespect intended).
I am also a HUGE fan of Jackmans WS. Was so baffled that CW did not sound anything like it but maybe that was the intent. His CA theme suite on the Winter soundtrack is amazing and wished he had kept using it. Really looking forward to what Silvestri will do but do wish the Russo’s kept Jackman in.
It was mildly disappointing that Marvel replaced Brian Tyler's Marvel Studios Fanfare with an imo inferior composition by Michael Giacchino. Decide for yourselves, True Believers!
Brian Tyler's Marvel Studios Fanfare:
Michael Giacchino's Marvel Studios Fanfare:
Neither fanfare are all that great. Both over produced, trying to sound epic without really standing out.
The running time of the CD is 75 minutes. Too bad the aforementioned end credits cue couldn't have gone on in place of the Marvin Gaye song (no disrespect intended to MG) or the Harry James tune (also no disrespect intended).
The Giacchino is by no means a poor fanfare, but Imo it would be more appropriate for something like the Harry Potter series. 
