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 Posted:   Feb 20, 2016 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)

The 2nd Print Run of SIMIANS & SERIALISM book has Sold Out (many customers opting for the Book+CD combo).

A 3rd Print Run of the book will be in stock soon. If you'd like to Reserve a copy of SIMIANS & SERIALISM, please drop me a request at info@pithikosentertainment.com.

A heartfelt thank you to everyone who's purchased a copy! smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2016 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I am STILL happy with the FOX BOX tracks!
smile
brm


Is that FOX BOX your mentioning the "Goldsmith at Fox" one. I'm so glad I didn't bother getting that.


yes.
why are you "happy" ?its a phenomenal collection!
brm

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2016 - 4:42 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I am STILL happy with the FOX BOX tracks!
smile
brm


Is that FOX BOX your mentioning the "Goldsmith at Fox" one. I'm so glad I didn't bother getting that.


yes.
why are you "happy" ?its a phenomenal collection!
brm


Yes, it was a great collection, just not the greatest sounding. Some things, like cues from SHOCK TREATMENT, were really bad.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2016 - 6:04 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I am STILL happy with the FOX BOX tracks!
smile
brm


Is that FOX BOX your mentioning the "Goldsmith at Fox" one. I'm so glad I didn't bother getting that.


yes.
why are you "happy" ?its a phenomenal collection!
brm


Yes, it was a great collection, just not the greatest sounding. Some things, like cues from SHOCK TREATMENT, were really bad.


well SHOCK is really the only one you can point to and that's been reissued in good stereo sound!!!!!!!!
brm

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2016 - 7:30 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I am STILL happy with the FOX BOX tracks!
smile
brm


Is that FOX BOX your mentioning the "Goldsmith at Fox" one. I'm so glad I didn't bother getting that.


yes.
why are you "happy" ?its a phenomenal collection!
brm


Yes, it was a great collection, just not the greatest sounding. Some things, like cues from SHOCK TREATMENT, were really bad.


well SHOCK is really the only one you can point to and that's been reissued in good stereo sound!!!!!!!!
brm


The Detective, Von Ryan's Express, Fate is the Hunter.... need it go on?

The point is that in not spending the money on the BIG BOX, I was later able to spend it on CD editions of the complete scores, remastered and in stereo -- and that's what I really want, everything Goldsmith did at Fox, complete and sounding as good as it can. Is there a problem with that?

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2016 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Thanks for the response. I kind of wondered if that would be the case.

It's not on the 4-CD set, which I have, and I've never encountered it on the compilations (many of which I have as well). No listing for it on the soundtrack collector site either, though I know that's not a guarantee that it's not somewhere. Maybe something released in England but not here in the USA? Anyway, thanks again for the response.


It's on a Silva compilation titled Film Music by Jerry Goldsmith which is part of the Film Music Masterworks series. The track is titled Planet Of the Apes - The Search and the Hunt and runs 6:49. Here is the link on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GLL0V6


Bless you! I never paid any attention to that release, so thanks very much for pointing it out.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2016 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   Tadlow   (Member)

Thanks for the response. I kind of wondered if that would be the case.

It's not on the 4-CD set, which I have, and I've never encountered it on the compilations (many of which I have as well). No listing for it on the soundtrack collector site either, though I know that's not a guarantee that it's not somewhere. Maybe something released in England but not here in the USA? Anyway, thanks again for the response.


It's on a Silva compilation titled Film Music by Jerry Goldsmith which is part of the Film Music Masterworks series. The track is titled Planet Of the Apes - The Search and the Hunt and runs 6:49. Here is the link on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GLL0V6


Bless you! I never paid any attention to that release, so thanks very much for pointing it out.


I remember we all enjoyed recording the piece.... a challenge but that is what real musicians enjoy....obviously not a challenge to the Vienna Symphonic Library though?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2016 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)


It's on a Silva compilation titled Film Music by Jerry Goldsmith which is part of the Film Music Masterworks series. The track is titled Planet Of the Apes - The Search and the Hunt and runs 6:49. Here is the link on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GLL0V6

Bless you! I never paid any attention to that release, so thanks very much for pointing it out.

I remember we all enjoyed recording the piece.... a challenge but that is what real musicians enjoy....obviously not a challenge to the Vienna Symphonic Library though?




Well, performing ALL of “The Search Continues” 4:59, and “The Hunt” 5:14 was a challenge this musician was thrilled to take on (with all of Emil Richards' original percussion too!).

Hmmm...“The Search” (???) and “The Hunt” at only 6:49? Abridged like the cue title? Where's the missing 3:24 seconds? I happen to believe EVERY note of Goldsmith's masterpiece is important and worth performing!

Your continued sideways swipes at my work are very transparent, very boring and more than a little sad. Maybe you're familiar with Shakespeare's Hamlet: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks” smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2016 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

a challenge but that is what real musicians enjoy....obviously not a challenge to the Vienna Symphonic Library though?

Well, I'm not a musician, but I hope most have better character than what's on display here. The challenge before me now... ever buying anything Tadlow again. Good job, dude.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2016 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

Oh,Please.

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2016 - 4:11 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Oh,Please.

Many days ago I walked back a comment I made and said "sorry" to Tadlow, but now, well, in the words sang by another musician, I won't be fooled again. Please, indeed.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   KTK   (Member)

Now that I’ve listened to this recording a few times, back-to-back, I’ll submit an opinion here for what it’s worth.

One paragraph of boring personal biography for perspective: I first heard the score to Planet of the Apes when I was 12 years old, the night it was first shown on TV. I grabbed the family monophonic cassette recorder, Scotch-taped the microphone to the TV speaker, and recorded the sound from the film onto two C-60’s, and played those endlessly over the next few years to re-live the film, memorizing the dialogue, in that decade preceding home video recorders. But along with the dialog was recorded the music… as someone who at that time thought that The Partridge Family was what music was, this particular score altered the course of my life. My friends and I over the next few years haunted record shops and library collections trying to find more music like this, and signed up for High School and then University music courses to learn more. Along the way we discovered and developed a love for the great works of 20th-century music that still endures, but always in the background: this sadness… we never quite found that holy grail of more music quite like THIS score. I am among those who think Goldsmith’s masterwork here discussed is one of the crowning achievements of composition, inside or outside of the film score universe.

So having explained how important this work is to me personally, please understand that I am perfectly poised to despise anything that ‘dirties’ its memory in any way.

Instead, I consider Mr. O’Callaghan’s loving and exacting presentation to be a masterpiece. I write this without reservation. I am in complete awe. I would truly like to shake his hand.

There have been a few other attempts to perform extracts of this score orchestrally – Mark Snow’s rendition of ‘The Hunt’ comes to mind from the Fimucite 3 80th Birthday concert. The tempi are off just enough to make one cringe and cry “That’s not right!” and whole instrumental lines are simply missing. Mr. O’Callaghan’s performance may employ some electronic instruments, a fact which has caused some prejudicial controversy and bitterness here, but my God, this realization is so amazingly spot-on in every other way it is astounding.

By the way, if you listen to the samples over little computer speakers, they may sound somewhat ‘electronic,’ but play this CD on a better system and it really sounds amazing. The music fills the stereo field very well and sounds much more ‘orchestral’ than it does over a cheap system. So many subtleties of the score are captured in amazing detail. I never expected this to be as good as it is. I’m frankly embarrassed to be running out of superlatives.

The smallest bill that an ATM dispenses is a $20. That’s all Mr. O’Callaghan is asking in order to put a copy of his amazing achievement into your hands. (I loved his book so much I bought a second copy just to squirrel away in my fire safe.)

Sir, now that you have your multitracks, if you ever decide to mount a Kickstarter to hire musicians to fill in spots here or there that you may not be completely happy with, I’d be first in line to support you. Not because I think it needs it, I just do not want your incredible journey with this music to end. I sincerely hope that you are not done.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Great post KTK. I can't wait to receive my copy.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Great post, MRS. O’Callaghan.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   KTK   (Member)

Right. Because when someone has something positive to say on this forum, it's always, "You're related" or "You're on the payroll."

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 11:04 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Great post, MRS. O’Callaghan.

Hold on now, who's this Rutherford bitch?

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

No idea why either side in this feels any need to adopt a mocking or insulting tone. This project was clearly a labor of love from the foremost expert on this score (no one disputes the amazing quality of the book, Simians and Serialism). Some people feel that they can live with the fact that it employed synthetic means for the orchestra, others don't. That's fine! No need to fight about it.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   Tadlow   (Member)


It's on a Silva compilation titled Film Music by Jerry Goldsmith which is part of the Film Music Masterworks series. The track is titled Planet Of the Apes - The Search and the Hunt and runs 6:49. Here is the link on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GLL0V6

Bless you! I never paid any attention to that release, so thanks very much for pointing it out.

I remember we all enjoyed recording the piece.... a challenge but that is what real musicians enjoy....obviously not a challenge to the Vienna Symphonic Library though?




Well, performing ALL of “The Search Continues” 4:59, and “The Hunt” 5:14 was a challenge this musician was thrilled to take on (with all of Emil Richards' original percussion too!).

Hmmm...“The Search” (???) and “The Hunt” at only 6:49? Abridged like the cue title? Where's the missing 3:24 seconds? I happen to believe EVERY note of Goldsmith's masterpiece is important and worth performing!

Your continued sideways swipes at my work are very transparent, very boring and more than a little sad. Maybe you're familiar with Shakespeare's Hamlet: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks” smile


Maybe some of my thoughts have Ben misinterpreted? I totally applaud the new Planet of the Apres recording and I would never criticise anyone for such a bold and exciting venture. I merely mentioned that I had recorded part of Goldsmith's concert suite and we had a good time playing it. But it was an excerpt from his concert suite and was never designed to be a complete representation of a whole cue. Any new recording that brings music like this to a wider public is fantastic. And if it has to be achieved using the VSL then fine by me....so congrats all round.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   Tadlow   (Member)


It's on a Silva compilation titled Film Music by Jerry Goldsmith which is part of the Film Music Masterworks series. The track is titled Planet Of the Apes - The Search and the Hunt and runs 6:49. Here is the link on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GLL0V6

Bless you! I never paid any attention to that release, so thanks very much for pointing it out.

I remember we all enjoyed recording the piece.... a challenge but that is what real musicians enjoy....obviously not a challenge to the Vienna Symphonic Library though?




Well, performing ALL of “The Search Continues” 4:59, and “The Hunt” 5:14 was a challenge this musician was thrilled to take on (with all of Emil Richards' original percussion too!).

Hmmm...“The Search” (???) and “The Hunt” at only 6:49? Abridged like the cue title? Where's the missing 3:24 seconds? I happen to believe EVERY note of Goldsmith's masterpiece is important and worth performing!

Your continued sideways swipes at my work are very transparent, very boring and more than a little sad. Maybe you're familiar with Shakespeare's Hamlet: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks” smile


Maybe some of my thoughts have been misinterpreted? I totally applaud the new Planet of the Apres recording and I would never criticise anyone for such a bold and exciting venture. I merely mentioned that I had recorded part of Goldsmith's concert suite and we had a good time playing it. But it was an excerpt from his concert suite and was never designed to be a complete representation of a whole cue. Any new recording that brings music like this to a wider public is fantastic. And if it has to be achieved using the VSL then fine by me....so congrats all round.

 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2016 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

No idea why either side in this feels any need to adopt a mocking or insulting tone. This project was clearly a labor of love from the foremost expert on this score (no one disputes the amazing quality of the book, Simians and Serialism). Some people feel that they can live with the fact that it employed synthetic means for the orchestra, others don't. That's fine! No need to fight about it.

Yavar


It's easy to understand when you consider that everyone here is that worst of the animal world -- humans!

 
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