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A few points—
1) Appreciate everybody's feedback, and I accept the criticism.
2) People seem to say the "Goldsmith estate" like it's a monolithic entity. The entire point is that the book could not come out because various family members did NOT agree with each other.
3) To Bruce's point above, the problem is that even if Carrie was legally OK to publish her memories, if Carol sued anyway, it didn't matter who would win, the legal fight would be catastrophic.
4) There is nothing to the timing of my blog post to read into. I have wanted a place to blog about my thoughts and memories, and a lot of them would be non-film music related so not appropriate for FSM. So once I made my personal site, I wanted to get this off my chest.
5) I didn't reveal anything about the book's contents that could not be gleaned from the excerpts online, and is not generally known within the community about the family.
6) I am sorry to see some temperatures get a little hotter than I expected, and I think is warranted. But you're all welcome to your opinions, and I accept the criticism.
Lukas
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Aug 31, 2021 - 6:53 AM
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Octoberman
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Unfortunately, but perhaps understandably, there is a lot of armchair psychology from us going on here.
But perspective is vitally important.
The fundamental fact remains that decisions were made, mistakes were made and, most importantly, apologies were made.
There will most likely come a day that the person or persons involved will find it most fortunate that the research material was not destroyed--families, in general, are often poor judges of what should or what shouldn't become public knowledge and when.
There's just no way to know because minds often change on a daily basis.
It bears mentioning that LK was relaying a story, and not necessarily seeking our approval or advice.
It looks to me like whatever lessons were to be gleaned by the whole episode have been learned and if the man says he will keep it safely buried, he will.
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I first whished we'd get the expected reactions from Jeff Bond, Douglass Fake, Roger Feigelson, MV Gerhard, Robert Townson.... but they will certainly not enter this burning mill. However, I can't imagine they do not read this! Or may be they will soon do it....
Silent on this, yet many of them routinely speak negatively and bash FSM members for simply making comments on this board. Very telling.
I don’t agree with all your points but this is just so true. And if this were Ford Thaxton, the reactions would 100x what Lukas is receiving now. And pretty much all negative.
As for the giggling about Joel Goldsmith’s reaction. I think it’s easy to forget he’s reacting about his family and dad. I don’t know what the relationship was or how “genuine” Joel was about it but frankly it doesn’t matter. The reaction from Lukas is cruel. His whole post was cruel and his arrogance is incredible. I think he’d be pretty upset if he sent a rough cut of his film to a person to review and then they held on to it and refused to give it back because(?)
It’s an obvious attempt to stay relevant in a world that he seemed to have wanted to put behind him. But this isn’t the first time either this has happened with him. How many copies of Logan’s Run were pressed again?
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I'm just thankful that The Goldsmith Society published a little bit of it. It's a fascinating read.
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One line in your post that I found incredibly revealing and tasteless is when you're speaking on behalf of the call with Goldsmith's son, Joel. You conclude your description of that intense phone call with this bit:
"Which was true, although I have to say, Joel was a hothead and his rant was insane. I had to keep from giggling."
I understand that you may remain resentful for how Joel might have approached the call with you, but to dangle it out here for us all to read, 15 years after the fact - equipped with that tacky, closing effort to be recognized as having been humored by it all - just further slaps the family in the face, including Joel who has now passed on himself.
While I defended Lukas above regarding the fact that he didn't make any promise to destroy the manuscript, I 100% agree that this particular bit of his writing was especially cringeworthy.
Frankness is one thing and I have always appreciated it in you, Lukas... but that comment was unnecessary and mean-spirited about someone who has passed away, and (whether generally a hothead or not) absolutely had cause to lay into you like he did, considering (by your own admission) you broke his sister's trust by sharing the manuscript against her wishes and without her knowledge. When sufficiently upset we all can say insane things, and it seems to me he certainly had cause to be upset.
Also, Lukas, why bother to apologize about this (multiple times to multiple Goldsmiths) if then in this thread you reveal, "And honestly, I don't care what any of the Goldsmiths think." If you truly don't care then your apologies ring rather hollow. If you think you do owe them an apology and yours is sincere, don't say that you don't care what they think. Do you see how those are contradictory? An apology to the world, or getting something off your chest, is different than an apology to an individual. If you are sorry *to them* and not just sorry (for yourself), then you absolutely do care what they think.
Yavar
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I have no stakes in this, but this thread sure is interesting.
Would have loved to read a close-up Goldsmith biography, but can understand if for various reasons that manuscript in question is off the table (for now).
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I'm just thankful that The Goldsmith Society published a little bit of it. It's a fascinating read.
Thank you, David! I'm glad to have that small bit as well!
I wish Carrie could publish an edited version with Mr. Goldsmith's musings and observations about his work. I don't want to know about negative things he said about others. Probably, some of them could share some negative things about him as well and I don't want to know that, either.
it was somewhat gratifying to read of Goldsmith's sentiments toward his composition teachers. Positive towards Tedesco, not so much regarding Krenneck (sic). When one reads these anecdotes, it humanizes the subject (Goldsmith) and makes them more relatable. At least that's the way I see it. It doesn't diminish his incredible talent, output or legacy.
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