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One thing I do feel is getting lost in this discussion is what Jerry Goldsmith himself wanted. Some folks seem to be acting like this book being released would be against HIS wishes and would be disrespectful to HIM. Well... from all accounts of this time from people who knew him, he may have been dying of cancer but he was in good control of his mental faculties. (His long interview with Jon Burlingame from 2003 bears this out as well.) And *he knew that his daughter was dedicating this time of her life to interview him for a book, to be published.* If he was overly frank with her when it came to opinions about people, he did it with the knowledge that she had the intent to publish. He wasn't tricked into saying those things "off the record" as far as I can tell. He knew he was dying of cancer, and he knew that his daughter was recording what he said with the intention of sharing it with the world afterwards. If he didn't want his unvarnished thoughts out there, he could have easily chosen to hold them back.
Yavar
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Aug 31, 2021 - 10:06 AM
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LRobHubbard
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One thing I do feel is getting lost in this discussion is what Jerry Goldsmith himself wanted. Some folks seem to be acting like this book being released would be against HIS wishes and would be disrespectful to HIM. Well... from all accounts of this time from people who knew him, he may have been dying of cancer but he was in good control of his mental faculties. (His long interview with Jon Burlingame from 2003 bears this out as well.) And *he knew that his daughter was dedicating this time of her life to interview him for a book, to be published.* If he was overly frank with her when it came to opinions about people, he did it with the knowledge that she had the intent to publish. He wasn't tricked into saying those things "off the record" as far as I can tell. He knew he was dying of cancer, and he knew that his daughter was recording what he said with the intention of sharing it with the world afterwards. If he didn't want his unvarnished thoughts out there, he could have easily chosen to hold them back.
Unless someone has a Ouija board, NOBODY knows what Goldsmith wanted, since he (to my knowledge) didn't leave written instructions. And frankly, once you're dead, what YOU wanted is immaterial unless you set things up legally for things to be carried out.
I do agree that whatever he said to his daughter, who was recording it to be used in material to published, he just put it all out there, warts and all, because - 'why not?'
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This is getting weirdly personal between members, but that’s kinda how it goes here.
Was this situation any of our business? Not until Lukas kinda made it our business by putting it out there. Nobody actually asked. “I'll hit "publish" and see how this is received. Eeeek.” Meaning: here, tell me what you think.
The only person here who has a dog in this race is Lukas. It doesn’t really matter what we think. In the end, he keeps his own counsel, as do we all.
Personally, I really don’t care of the material is published or not. I most likely wouldn’t read it anyway. I don’t care what made Goldsmith tick or his relationships with other composers or his own family. What matters to me is the music Goldsmith left behind. Maybe the book shouldn’t be published. Perhaps it served its purpose in the writing. Perhaps Carrie used it as therapy. I think we could all use some.
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Personally, I really don’t care of the material is published or not. I most likely wouldn’t read it anyway. I don’t care what made Goldsmith tick or his relationships with other composers or his own family.
Actually, I would buy such a book in a minute and gobble it all up. I'd be very curious about stuff like that. But at the same token I'd agree that it's basically none of my business.
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Personally, I really don’t care of the material is published or not. I most likely wouldn’t read it anyway. I don’t care what made Goldsmith tick or his relationships with other composers or his own family. What matters to me is the music Goldsmith left behind. Maybe the book shouldn’t be published. Perhaps it served its purpose in the writing. Perhaps Carrie used it as therapy. I think we could all use some.
I mean... the part of the book that was put online had a lot of stuff about his actual career, including details of his work in the 50s (and connecting with directors like Schaffner) which are fascinating and more detailed than other extant sources: http://www.jerrygoldsmithonline.com/spotlight_biography_preview.htm
This isn't just a gossipy tell-all or anything.
Yavar
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You do know how to launch a website!
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There's some interesting comments here.
I think many of us assume we know what our favorite composers must be like in real life because we feel like we know them through their music.
For the vast majority of us, we do not, and I think most readers here know that.
We do not even know them because we met them once, or because they signed our CDs.
I've heard of some pretty asshole behavior from composers whose fans would be shocked by it. It would destroy the idealistic Disney image of who they were.
Then again, there is also hearsay.
I have no opinion on what Jerry Goldsmith, or his family members, were like in real life because I simply don't know. And for most of you reading this, you do not either.
Anyway, I understand where Lukas is coming from when he says he will not destroy what may be the only document of its kind on the composer. Should the information be lost to the ages? It's hard to say it should.
I also understand why Carrie and others fell out with him over it and got mad.
Yeah, it's a shit show alright.
Lukas screwed up and he has apologized.
Unless we think Jerry Goldsmith's one and only oral history and memoirs should be destroyed forever—and I can't bring myself to think it should—I don't see what more he can do.
Cheers
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A few points—
3) To Bruce's point above, the problem is that even if Carrie was legally OK to publish her memories, if Carol sued anyway, it didn't matter who would win, the legal fight would be catastrophic.
Lukas
Well, Carol... and there you have it. Lawsuits that can't be won but are done anyway to cause harm and drain someone's finances. Been there, done that. And in the end, the person suing, knowing they cannot win, keep it going anyway. It is a huge flaw in our justice system, sadly.
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