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 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

Thanks for the candor and transparency.

Graham

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 4:13 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

Man... I did some VERY stupid things in my sad existence - some of them almost cost my life!

But, jeez, Lukas you outdone it all!

I am sure you mean well and didn't do it on purpose, but still...

eekeekeekeekeekeek

Please, destroy this material once and for all and let it go.

By keeping it you are continually hurting Goldsmith's family and it seems that you are enjoying it, like some revenge because they treated you poorly! But you confessed that happened because of your own faults!

Please, be the great man you want to be and let it go.

Sorry. I hope understand what I am saying.

Best regards.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 4:18 PM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

I don’t understand why Carrie couldn’t publish the book at the time. It’s her dad, she’s not using unauthorized photos or documents. It her relationship with her dad and the conversations she had with him. I understand she changed her mind and the fear of going broke hiring a lawyer to defend against a frivolous lawsuit weighed on her mind. 99.999999% of the planet don’t know who Jerry Goldsmith is and an even smaller number would buy the book.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   Replicant006   (Member)

Lukas,

While I appreciate your candor and transparency about the events that have occurred, and believe that you (mostly) had good intentions, I personally think that you are wrong in this situation, and should make an effort to rectify it with the Goldsmiths.

I do not think there is a legal discussion to be had here, but rather, an ethical discussion. You should do the right thing, and either destroy the material, or return it and destroy it (as it is a digital copy). It has become too personal for you now, with all that has transpired, and you should do as the author has asked.

I appreciate that you have opened up yourself for some pretty harsh criticism by posting this and bringing it to our attention. I wonder if you did so as a way of asking us for a little helpful nudge in the right direction.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

I don’t understand why Carrie couldn’t publish the book at the time. It’s her dad, she’s not using unauthorized photos or documents. It her relationship with her dad and the conversations she had with him. I understand she changed her mind and the fear of going broke hiring a lawyer to defend against a frivolous lawsuit weighed on her mind. 99.999999% of the planet don’t know who Jerry Goldsmith is and an even smaller number would buy the book.

Because the story she told involved other family members, particularly her stepmother, as I explain in the piece.

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


If Carrie saw people angry at me and it made her inclined to do something with her material, I would be thrilled.

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 4:46 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Apologies in advance if I have misunderstood what Ive just read but my initial reaction is...

Has this ever happened before? A volunteer proofreader holding on to a copy of someone's entire unpublished manuscript and reference material, refusing to return it, and handing it out to a third party without permission? And subsequently giving a public appraisal of the unreleased work's quality and the writer's capabilities?
Extraordinary.
Regarding the unauthorized third party... did he receive a further copy of the material for his perusal? And did he keep that copy for himself? Or did Lukas pass his own only copy to the third party, letting it out of his control for a period of time?
If it was copied for or by the third party, and he was asked to return or destroy it when finished with it, I would expect he felt no obligation to do so, seeing as how Lukas had refused to do the exact same thing when requested to do so by the actual author.
What a mess.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 4:57 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Apologies in advance if I have misunderstood what Ive just read but my initial reaction is...

Has this ever happened before? A volunteer proofreader holding on to a copy of someone's entire unpublished manuscript and reference material, refusing to return it, and handing it out to a third party without permission? And subsequently giving a public appraisal of the unreleased work's quality and the writer's capabilities?
Extraordinary.
Regarding the unauthorized third party... did he receive a further copy of the material for his perusal? And did he keep that copy for himself? Or did Lukas pass his own only copy to the third party, letting it out of his control for a period of time?
If it was copied for or by the third party, and he was asked to return or destroy it when finished with it, I would expect he felt no obligation to do so, seeing as how Lukas had refused to do the exact same thing when requested to do so by the actual author.
What a mess.


The third party borrowed a print out and returned it. This was 15 years ago.

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 5:07 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)



The third party borrowed a print out and returned it. This was 15 years ago.

Lukas





Well, I hope it sorts itself out and all parties end up content.
We need you producing box sets for us, not getting involved in book publishing controversy!

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 5:52 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Someday, all of the family members involved will be gone. Their bones will turn to dust, just like ours. But Goldsmith's music will still be around.

What sense does it make to obliterate historical information? Would you really wish that an intimate family account about Bach or Beethoven had been destroyed— to protect someone's vanity?

If the Book of Luke had been destroyed to mollify temperamental family members, there would be no Christmas. Nobody knew it would amount to anything, but they saved the book. And now Christmas accounts for 30% of all retail sales in America. Think about it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Think about it.

I'm thinking about how high you just elevated Jerry Goldsmith. :-D

You're also assuming Lukas has the only copy.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   Max Bellochio   (Member)

If Carrie saw people angry at me and it made her inclined to do something with her material, I would be thrilled.
Lukas


The inevitable reality is that this book would never had come out at that time, especially only two years after his death - whether or not you were involved. I'm not going to defend or rebuke you or your actions. It may have been like walking on a minefield without knowing exactly when the mines were going to go off. Perhaps there were still bad feelings within the family at the time - or for some time before. It is not possible to know exactly, understandably, as you are not able to intimate details of the real-time events of the family that you dealt with. This is why I think it was not a good time to do that book back in 2006.

If family dysfunctionality may have been a factor at the time, then the whole idea of a memoir should have been put on pause. Hopefully, the benefit of time could help in whatever healing process (if at all) needed to organically occur amongst the family. That would have been a private matter - everyone knows that. In a larger family, not everyone likes each other. I know it was the case in both of my parent's families. There were factions that constantly would re-align and talk to each other, then not talk to each other. Bad blood became the norm when this person got divorced, then remarried and proceeded to be judged amongst what I called "The Court of the Living Aunts." My aunts used to talk about my mom in front of her, speaking in Syrian - calling her a whore. My mom didn't know, but my dad did. He resented their treatment of who they called the "second wife" of their brother. The truth of the matter, is none of that mattered. Most of them were single and never made a commitment to anyone. They resented the fact that my dad found happiness (twice) and they never did. They're all dead now so that is the finality. No reconciliation, no quiet whispers of "I'm sorry" or "You still suck, but you're my brother, and I love you no matter what." Sometimes, resentment runs deep and never recovers. I just hope that I am WAY OFF on this.

The older Goldsmith's are all old now. Quite frankly, I don't give a s**t if that book is published or not, if it's just to make a buck or spite somebody else. I really liked what I did read and was a huge fan of his music, but I will not partake in something that will further split a family or enjoy something at someone else's expense. Jerry was complicated, and so are many people - successful and in the public eye or not. But it's the family's story or stories to tell in that context - or not to tell at all.

Lukas, you have 15 years of distance between this and a family of your own. I know you can appreciate the nuances of marriage, children, and the whole evolution along the way. We never stop making mistakes and missteps, but hope to goodness we can avoid crashing the plane and killing the passengers in the process. Self-awareness is your friend - introspection is your kick in the ass.

Getting mad at you for something that happened 15 years ago in order to persuade someone to sell a book is nonsensical to me. I don't know that you can do anything anything at this point - or if you should. But I do know this:

1. There is a story to tell.
2. It's up to the family to decide to tell it - OR NOT!
3. There are fans out there who enjoyed his music, but understand that he had a complicated life with a family that was real and lived on the other side of that success.
4. We're all going to die at some point.

Very
MaxB

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   Paul Ettinger   (Member)

Lukas, congratulations on the launch of the website. I must tell you how impressed I am at the statesmanlike civility and decorum that you continually display towards.... us. Thank you for your exemplary patience and politeness.

Those are all qualities that appear to have no place on the internet.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 6:24 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

Hindsight is 20/20 of course, but Carrie really ought to have hired a professional editor, and obviously you should have kept your mouth shut. And barring the advice of an editor, the both of you should have just tossed your copies of the manuscript into a safe and bided your time until all the (potentially) litigious parties had shuffled off this mortal coil.

That said…

This is no one else's business but the immediately affected parties, and serves no public good.

I would suggest deleting this thread and the post on your personal site.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   Larry847   (Member)

I can understand how tough it can be to abandon all traces of this sought-after manuscript now you have read it entirely and know all the treasured film music industry trivia informations and personal statements by our beloved maestro and other professionals it handles but since it obviously also features a lot of private stories or issues, I think you now owe to Carrie to send her back once for good his manuscript or its digital backup....as promised in the first place.

Did I miss the part where he promised to return the manuscript? Maybe Lukas is leaving that part out, but from what he wrote I don't see that as a stipulation of having received it in the first place. He did break the promise not to share it with anyone (once), and he was absolutely wrong to do that. But as far as I can tell he did not promise to return the manuscript and not keep a copy for himself after reading it. Just because later on he was asked to return it and refused does not mean the same thing.

You also owe respect to Carol, as she doesn't want either to get it published.

But he's not publishing it. He's simply refusing to destroy it, which is not the same thing. I'm not saying Lukas comes off great here, and he absolutely made some bad mistakes. But unless he promised to return it and not keep a copy, he's not breaking a promise by holding onto it. (Right? Did I miss something?)

Yavar


Having been reading through this thread of responses after having read the blog itself earlier in the day, I'm inclined to agree with this perspective. There is no legal obligation. There is merely the possibility that the estate might block future releases Lukas might be inclined to produce. But he's a grownup and understands that.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 6:43 PM   
 By:   jwb1   (Member)

This person was horrified by the manuscript because it featured numerous instances of Jerry speaking candidly about colleagues, students, fans and others in a way they would find hurtful.

Jerry may have been a musical genius but he was definitely an asshole. Its interesting as he has a vocal fanbase, yet he really wasn't interested in his fans.

And he was right: Jerry had spoken off-the-cuff to his daughter, not really thinking every word might end up in a book, and had made a bunch of unkind comments that should have been edited out.

I disagree. If you are going to write about who someone was, to edit out who they were would not be honest.

IMHO, the Goldsmith family are drama queens.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 7:07 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Jerry may have been a musical genius but he was definitely an asshole.

Wow.

MB above: Jerry was complicated, and so are many people - successful and in the public eye or not.

Yes.

Its interesting as he has a vocal fanbase, yet he really wasn't interested in his fans.

Not in my experience. And it was a good solid experience.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Re personal website/ JG bio maelstrom: Thank you, LK, for elaborating and once again putting it all out there, warts and all. No whitewashing or anything. A credible account. Remains painful reading all the same. I'll let my response in 2009 (& beyond) speak for me now as then. A decade+ later you have confirmed things both written and unwritten.

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=21334&forumID=1&archive=1&pageID=1

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 7:34 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)


Its interesting as he has a vocal fanbase, yet he really wasn't interested in his fans.





He appreciated his older fans of near his own generation very much, like Cody and myself. But he thought the younger ones who enjoyed his later synth doodling (which he disliked but felt forced to use to stay relevant and "trendy" in the industry) had no taste at all and would buy anything with his name on it. If you don't believe me, wait till the book comes out and you'll see for yourself.




(Thought this thread needed lightening up a bit)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 7:47 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

smile

 
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