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 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)


THE BEST ORIGINAL RELEASE of both Rio Conchos and 100 Rifles is the 2018 LLL combo release?



As I understand it, the LLL release of Rio Conchos is the same as the Kritzerland release of three or four years earlier, with the exact same sound quality.


Seems so. On Kritzerland page Mike Matessino restored Rio Conchos and on Lalaland’s page it says he restored 100 Rifles.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

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 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

No Dean Martin singing, no sale!

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

I figured this was the re-recording Intrada owned and wanted in the hi-rez market (along with a CD reissue), but the album art indicates it's the original recording. So do we know for sure which it is?

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 3:36 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

The album art which prominently says “London Symphony Orchestra”?? Obviously, this is the Intrada re-recording, not the film recording from the mid 60s.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

So LSO wasn't recording film scores in the 60s?? I don't know. I know what original means.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

So LSO wasn't recording film scores in the 60s?? I don't know. I know what original means.

It's the "original score", original music that was composed to the movie. Not music from the "original soundtrack" of the movie.
This can be confusing but it is Intrada's rerecording, as they have been releasing their rerecordings in hi-res.
FYI the Rio Conchos original soundtrack was recorded at 20th Century Fox in L.A. and not by the LSO.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 4:31 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

So LSO wasn't recording film scores in the 60s?

Yes, they did. Mysterious Island is just one example.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

So LSO wasn't recording film scores in the 60s?? I don't know. I know what original means.

LSO has actually been scoring films from the early days of film, but mainly for British films until maybe a handful of American films here and there in the 50s and 60s - basically Star Wars put them on the map and from that point on American composers used them frequently.

As far as I can tell, the Twentieth Century-Fox Symphony Orchestra played for the original recording that was used in the film, a common practice in those days for American studios to have their own orchestra - I don't have the album notes with me but some online credits show LA session musicians, so I'm pretty certain.

The LSO handled the re-recording, so this upcoming release from Intrada is indeed the re-recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

So LSO wasn't recording film scores in the 60s?

Yes, they did. Mysterious Island is just one example.


Oh yeah, that sounds about right. I think Bernard Herrmann was the beginning of minor usage of the LSO for film scores, but then John Williams brought them into the American mainstream.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

So LSO wasn't recording film scores in the 60s?? I don't know. I know what original means.

Well the 2013 Intrada reissue and 1989 original issue also said “Original Motion Picture Score” — that just means the score was an original composition; not that the album is the original recording.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 5:55 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

Hey. So, funny story: I reviewed Rio Conchos two and a half years ago and only remembered it earlier. Protip: getting old sucks.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 5:58 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

Hey. So, funny story: I reviewed Rio Conchos two and a half years ago and only remembered it earlier. Protip: getting old sucks.

Why your cat is licking my monitor??

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2021 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Hey. So, funny story: I reviewed Rio Conchos two and a half years ago and only remembered it earlier. Protip: getting old sucks.

Why your cat is licking my monitor??


Hahaha!

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2021 - 12:53 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Film good? Score good? So far it's looking like a big no on both counts.

The score's great.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2021 - 2:39 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

I've got the CD but will upgrade to 24 bit. Would be nice if Intrada could include access to the notes for downloaders.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2021 - 3:41 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

I've got the CD but will upgrade to 24 bit. Would be nice if Intrada could include access to the notes for downloaders.


The original recording is not in 24-bit, since it was recorded in 1989.

I hope it was recorded in 20-bit, though, but don't know exactly when the first 20-bit recordings were actually done.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2021 - 4:16 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I've got the old '89 Intrada/LSO CD pressing which, as Bazza says, sounds great AND I've got the recent-ish Kritzerland original recording, which also sounds fine to me, thanks to Mike-M.
No need for an upgrade from me.
And as Yavar says, the A&TE Prologue is the stand-out music for me too, on the '89 disc. Spine Tingling!
I have the original version of that too (somewhere??..the North CD?...Jerry at Fox Box?)
I do like (most of) the RIO CONCHOS score, but I don't rate it as high as others, and enjoy many other Goldsmith western scores above it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2021 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Well, this will contain Goldsmith's prelude to The Agony and the ecstasy -- which is one of the best recordings of one most beautiful written pieces ever. I'm happy to get in in high res.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 30, 2021 - 7:15 AM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

The original recording is not in 24-bit, since it was recorded in 1989.

I hope it was recorded in 20-bit, though, but don't know exactly when the first 20-bit recordings were actually done.


Maybe they recorded to analog at the same time and used that for this master?

 
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