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 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)


La-La Land Records, Synthesis Entertainment, 20th Century Studios and Legendary Pictures proudly present VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA – ORIGINAL TELEVISION SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION: LIMITED EDITION, a deluxe 4-CD collection of original music from the classic Irwin Allen 1964-1968 sci-fi/deep ocean adventure television series!



After enthusiasm about the music has subsided slightly, can we ask why four (4!) entities were involved?
If 20th Century Fox holds the rights to the series & its music, then why did La-La Land need to be involved with 2 other companies?
What connection does "Legendary Pictures" have to vintage television?
What or who is "Synthesis Entertainment"?


Fox is not the only rights holder. Synthesis Entertainment is Kevin Burns who has the rights to the Irwin Allen shows, along with the Irwin Allen Estate. Fox and others who bankrolled the series also have a stake.

Like Lost in Space: Red Skelton and Graucho Marx helped to finance that series along with Fox and, I believe, CBS. Jeff can absolutely correct me or add, but there a few fingers in the pie.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   Broughtfan   (Member)

Since this new CD set doesn't include listings of the session players thought I would share with you what info I have. You'll notice that many of the players were also on the LIS sessions. This is because Lionel Newman retained many of the musicians from the contract orchestra days. So the same people on these sessions played on a number of Fox film productions including the "Voyage" feature (and later Fox features such as The Sand Pebbles, POTA, Patton, The Poseidon Adventure, Tora, etc). These are also the players heard on Batman (mostly first season as Nelson Riddle brought in name jazz people in year 2), Daniel Boone, Time Tunnel, etc. By contrast, session players on "Star Trek" were culled from a combination of freelancers and LA Phil musicians.

SEASON 3

8/12/66
Voyage - 9299 (Library, shared with "Daniel Boone" session, cond. by Lionel Newman)
Fox principal brass players (DeRosa, Clyman, Nash) not present (likely called for another session) but would return for 8/29 Leith Stevens date:

Electric Violin: Elliot Fisher (also heard on ST: TOS "The Man Trap," recorded a week later at Desilu)
Flute: Luella Howard (Fox principal), Arthur Hoberman, Sheridon Stokes
Oboe: Gordon Pope (Fox principal)
Clarinet (plus one double each): Russell Cheever (Fox principal), Abe Most, William Ulyate, Hugo Raimondi
Bassoon: Don Christlieb (Fox principal), Ray Nowlin
Horn: Vincent DeRosa (Fox principal, taking over from Alfred Brain ca. 1956), Harry Schmidt, Jack Cave (until 1960 MGM principal horn), James Decker (former principal horn Columbia Pictures, incl. solo on "On The Waterfront")
Trumpet: Carroll Lewis (joined Fox in 1965 as second trumpet, taking over from Frank Beach), Robert Fowler, Clarence "Shorty" Sherock.
Trombone: Tommy Pederson, Ray Klein, Phillip Teele (Fox bass trombone from 1965, at age 22, active in the studios throughout the 2000's, passed away March, 2019)
Tuba: Clarence Karella (principal), Sam Rice
Percussion: Hal Rees, Richard Cornell (Fox co-principals, Rees being timpanist on nearly all Fox productions of the day, Cornell also talented set drummer)
Harp: Ann Stockton
Piano: Jack Latimer
Celli: Kurt Reher, Margaret Aue, Joseph DiTullio, Joseph Coppin, Gloria Strassner (all former Fox contract)
Bass: Meyer Rubin (Fox principal, later to become contractor)

8/29/66
Voyage - 9201 Monster From The Inferno (cond. by Leith Stevens)
Session time: 8:00 - 1:45

Electric Violin: Elliot Fisher
Flute: Luella Howard, Arthur Hoberman, Sheridon Stokes, Leonard Posella
Oboe: Gordon Pope
Clarinet (plus one double each): Russell Cheever, Abe Most, William Ulyate, Morris Crawford
Bassoon: Don Christlieb
Horn: Vincent DeRosa (Fox principal horn from ca. 1956), Harry Schmidt, Jack Cave (until 1960 MGM principal horn), Henry Sigismonti (then, LA Phil co-principal horn)
Trumpet: John Clyman (Fox principal), Carroll Lewis, Robert Fowler
Trombone: Richard Nash (at Fox, as first trombone, from 1965), Ray Klein, Phillip Teele (Fox bass trombone from 1965, at age 22, active in the studios throughout the 2000's, passed away March, 2019)
Tuba: Clarence Karella (principal), Edward Gilbert
Percussion: Hal Rees, Richard Cornell (Fox co-principals, Rees being timpanist on nearly all Fox productions of the day, Cornell also talented set drummer)
Organ: Jack Cookerly

Normally the two call keyboardists were Artie Kane (largely piano), Jack Latimer (organ)

SEASON 4

8/22/67
Voyage - 1303 The Deadly Dolls (cond. by Harry Geller)
Session time: 9:00 - 11:45/1:00 - 4:15 (long session)

Flute: Luella Howard
Oboe: Gordon Pope
Clarinet (one double): Russell Cheever, Abe Most, William Ulyate, Morris Crawford, Harry Klee (formerly from Columbia Pictures Orch.)
Bassoon: Don Christlieb
Horn: Vincent DeRosa, Harry Schmidt, Jack Cave, William Hinshaw (WB orchestra principal horn, film/TV productions)
Trumpet: John Clyman, Carroll Lewis, Robert Fowler
Trombone: Richard Nash, Ray Klein, Phillip Teele, Hoyt Bohannon
Tuba: Clarence Karella
Percussion: Hal Rees, Richard Cornell, Ralph Collier (generally first-call when third player was needed)
Piano (organ double): Artie Kane
Guitar: Robert Bain

A week before, many of the same musicians recorded John Williams' S3 LIS Main/End Titles.

8/16/67
LIS - MT/ET (recorded at end of Pete Rugolo Felony Squad/LIS session)

Woodwinds: Russell Cheever, Abe Most, William Ulyate, Harry Klee, Gene Cipriano
Horn: Vincent DeRosa, Harry Schmidt, Jack Cave, William Hinshaw
Trumpet: John Clyman, Carroll Lewis, Robert Fowler, Frank Beach (Fox orch. through 1965)
Trombone: Richard Nash, Ray Klein, Phillip Teele, Tommy Pederson
Percussion: Hal Rees, Richard Cornell, Ralph Collier
Drums: Shelly Manne
Piano: Artie Kane
Organ: Ray Turner
Guitar: Robert Bain, Alton Hendrickson
Bass: Meyer Rubin, Joe Mondragon

More to come...

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

As far as Synthesis and Legendary goes, their support and assistance has been invaluable on all the Irwin Allen music projects (as well as on my book)--they are keeping the Irwin Allen brand alive and people should be celebrating that.
We do have the "Phantom Strikes" music, "Attack," "The Deadly Dolls" and most of the remaining scores from the color episodes--sound is variable but most of it is releasable, enough for another 4-CD set, but that will depend on sales of this set. Get the hint?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   Broughtfan   (Member)

For anyone interested, more musicians rosters from VTBS (S4)

8/28/67
Voyage - 1302 "Time Lock" (cond. by Lennie Hayton)
Session time: 1:00 - 6:30 (almost all Fox session regulars)

Flute: Luella Howard, Arthur Hoberman
Oboe: Gordon Pope
Clarinet (doublers): Russell Cheever, Abe Most, William Ulyate
Bassoon: Don Christlieb
Horn: Vincent DeRosa, Harry Schmidt, Jack Cave
Trumpet: John Clyman, Carroll Lewis
Trombone: Richard Nash, Ray Klein, Phillip Teele
Percussion: Hal Rees, Richard Cornell
Piano: Artie Kane
Harp: Ann Stockton
Cello: Harold Schneier, Joseph DiTullio, Joseph Coppin, Edgar Lustgarten
Bass: Meyer Rubin

9/12/67
Voyage - 1306 "Sealed Orders" (cond. by Harry Geller )
Session time: 1:30 - 7:00

Flute: Harry Klee
Oboe: Gordon Pope
Clarinet (WW doublers): Russell Cheever, Abe Most, William Ulyate, Morris Crawford, Justin Gordon (probably doubling flute/alto flute)
Horn: Harry Schmidt, Jack Cave (probably first horn here), Fred Fox, Wendell Hoss
Trumpet: John Clyman, Carroll Lewis, Robert Fowler
Trombone: Richard Nash, Ray Klein, Phillip Teele, Hoyt Bohannon
Percussion: Hal Rees, Richard Cornell, Ralph Collier
Piano (and Keyboard): Artie Kane, Hal Borne
Organ: Jack Cookerly
Guitar: Bob Bain
Bass: Meyer Rubin

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

Great news about the other scores. If this set doesn't sell out, there is something very wrong with the Universe... Although being in the business as long as I have, I already know there's something very wrong with the Universe... I shall continue to spread the word.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   Midnight Mike   (Member)

Got my set this afternoon! So far I’ve listened to Jonah and the Whale and Time Bomb. So happy to hear “Seaview Submerged\Checklist” and “Flying Sub”. I love those cues! Great set, can’t wait to DIVE into it tonight! Big thanks to all involved!

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 7:38 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

As far as Synthesis and Legendary goes, their support and assistance has been invaluable on all the Irwin Allen music projects (as well as on my book)--they are keeping the Irwin Allen brand alive and people should be celebrating that.
We do have the "Phantom Strikes" music, "Attack," "The Deadly Dolls" and most of the remaining scores from the color episodes--sound is variable but most of it is releasable, enough for another 4-CD set, but that will depend on sales of this set. Get the hint?


Is there a minimum number of sets that need to be offered? Would the price per unit have to increase for offering fewer units? Reading MV's recent comments about TVshow sales in another thread -
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=140523&forumID=1&archive=0
- sounds like 750 sets might be a better goal than 1000. Varese steadily lowered the number of units per volume of their HITCHCOCK HOUR releases.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 8:07 PM   
 By:   charles124   (Member)

Perhaps what Yavar doesn't understand is that the explanation for LAND OF THE GIANTS having only four minutes or a bit more, sometimes ten min to a score was that they wanted to represent every original score AND that there were damaged bits. Perhaps it was both. I don't like having to live with that.

The new liner notes to VOYAGE state that GIANTS was relatively intact so it was a choice by the makers to limit fuller episodes. Luckily VOYAGE has fuller episodes on its box set, which makes me wonder how such full episodes are so intact but GIANTS, which was supposed be in better shape (depending on what post you read) only has between four and ten minutes on most episodes. It's disappointing is all I am saying.

And yes, I should have read the thread and not posted until I read the liner notes which I didn't have yet when I posted. Overall though this release was just fine though I wish they had found more of LOST BOMB and INFERNO and wonder if A TIME TO DIE's opening cruise theme was found intact. All in all I like this set but I still don't trust the explanation about the GIANTS set as there were two explanations. I'm sure most of those scores are presentable as what we got with GIANTS is NOT full representation of the series, only maybe half of it. Maybe.

Oh and Yavar, you're so mature and grown up. Congrats.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 8:09 PM   
 By:   charles124   (Member)

Perhaps what Yavar doesn't understand is that the explanation for LAND OF THE GIANTS having only four minutes or a bit more, sometimes ten min to a score was that they wanted to represent every original score AND that there were damaged bits. Perhaps it was both. I don't like having to live with that.

The new liner notes to VOYAGE state that GIANTS was relatively intact so it was a choice by the makers to limit fuller episodes. Luckily VOYAGE has fuller episodes on its box set, which makes me wonder how such full episodes are so intact but GIANTS, which was supposed be in better shape (depending on what post you read) only has between four and ten minutes on most episodes. It's disappointing is all I am saying.

And yes, I should have read the thread and not posted until I read the liner notes which I didn't have yet when I posted. Overall though this release was just fine though I wish they had found more of LOST BOMB and INFERNO and wonder if A TIME TO DIE's opening cruise theme was found intact. All in all I like this set but I still don't trust the explanation about the GIANTS set as there were two explanations. I'm sure most of those scores are presentable as what we got with GIANTS is NOT full representation of the series, only maybe half of it. Maybe.

Oh and Yavar, you're so mature and grown up. Congrats.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 9:07 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

On LOTG we were obligated to sample all the episodes we had scores for. So it was a matter of some cues being damaged or missing AND the fact that we had to present all the scores, and in chronological order. We did not have those marching orders on Voyage.
For The Lost Bomb and Monster from the Inferno on Voyage we put every second of music that survived at Fox on the set.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2020 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

We did not have those marching orders on Voyage.


Marching orders, eh? Not "Sealed Orders"? wink

I would have thought that co-producers Bond-'n-Buck would be issuing orders ... & not be recipients of orders.
Who is commanding? An alien monster bellowing "obey" in a Dick Tufeld voice? The ghost of Irwin Allen?

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2020 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

You're not usually so whimsical, zardoz. Could be the Bends so maybe you should hit the decompression chamber.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2020 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I do get it, I would love to have complete box sets of all my favorite TV series scores. Here's thing, though: the Star Trek box and particularly the Lost in Space box didn't sell up to expectations. After those two, they went for representations. The Mission: Impossible box was probably frustrating for fans who wanted complete scores of every episode, but because of the lack of ROI, we're not going to see that anymore. So they made a box which touched on every episode to sport an original scores. Wild Wild West, also. There are a few episodes I wished were covered, but either the tapes were gone or they just didn't include them. Even recent shows: Star Trek Enterprise maddeningly keeps excluding the climactic battle music from "Azati Prine"but I am hopeful it'll show up on a future release. Not everyone's favorite is mine.

So, even if all of the music from Land of the Giants and Voyage survived, we wouldn't get a complete box set. I'm not thrilled with it either, but we fans aren't financing these releases. If LLL is losing money on a release, it makes no sense to willingly toss money away. In fact, not only do I feel fortunate we've got this Voyage set, I'm actually surprised they took the chance and did it at all. And they're willing to do a volume 2 if it sells enough.

As far as Giants, nobody "blew it." They made the best and most complete set they could. Sure, it's missing favorite cues for a variety of reasons. You don't have to like it, but at least understand it. Ya know?

Waiting anxiously for my Voyage set to hit my stoop.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2020 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

If it's any consolation, the two Leith Stevens cues from LOTG I wanted most were both too damaged to include on the set. So we can all share in the disappointment. smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2020 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

That sucks Jeff; what cues were they, and why are they your favorite Stevens work for the show?

Is there any hope that if this sells well enough for a Volume 2, more sources might turn up, with more time to search in the vaults? Or is it fairly certain that there’s no future hope for those cues?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2020 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

That sucks Jeff; what cues were they, and why are they your favorite Stevens work for the show?

Is there any hope that if this sells well enough for a Volume 2, more sources might turn up, with more time to search in the vaults? Or is it fairly certain that there’s no future hope for those cues?

Yavar


@ Yavar Moradi. Nothing sucks, IMHO, because we have an embarrassment of riches that seemed implausible a few short years ago. Both VTTBOTS and LOTG (in these magnificent extended forms) appeared completely out of reach, and now... (My post is not a critique of yours, btw). smile

Kudos LaLaLand for these wonderful sets (and reminding me why I'm still as enthusiastic about film music as I was many decades ago.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2020 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

If it's any consolation, the two Leith Stevens cues from LOTG I wanted most were both too damaged to include on the set. So we can all share in the disappointment. smile

What about further music from film stems? Would that be a possibility in regards to cues from Leviathan and the first season?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2020 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   charles124   (Member)

On LOTG we were obligated to sample all the episodes we had scores for. So it was a matter of some cues being damaged or missing AND the fact that we had to present all the scores, and in chronological order. We did not have those marching orders on Voyage.
For The Lost Bomb and Monster from the Inferno on Voyage we put every second of music that survived at Fox on the set.


I'm sorry you had to work under those conditions for GIANTS and I'm not sure why that was. I'm sure with such old material, it was a chore in many ways and a task that couldn't have been easy. That said, is there any chance for a second GIANTS release? Did it sell well enough? I"m sure it did not as I remember maybe it was you saying that even STAR TREK's set didn't sell that well.

On another note how is it that some show have every episode released on DVD with isolated music scores (SPACE: 1999 had one set that had almost every ep and then another set that had every ep with isolated scores). How does that work?


Just curious.


In any case, thanks for you work on all these releases. VOYAGE was outstanding even if TIME BOMB is not one of my favorites, nor is MAN BEAST, I guess it's a matter of what you found? Was Savage Jungle an original score (I seem to remember some of the music in it was from the first season's MIST OF SILENCE)?

What about episodes that are tracked? Do they their own existing soundtrack somewhere, put together from other episodes? SECRET OF THE DEEP has one heck of a use of all the action music. I'd love to have that score! Thanks again and no offense meant as to my disappointment over the GIANTS music. I realize how lucky we are to have ANY of GIANTS and VOYAGE music. Now onto TIME TUNNEL! smile PLEASE if you do TIME TUNNEL find that fight music that seemed to start in DEATH TRAP with the climatic fight scene. Also a lot of TTT motif music is from JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2020 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   charles124   (Member)

I do get it, I would love to have complete box sets of all my favorite TV series scores. Here's thing, though: the Star Trek box and particularly the Lost in Space box didn't sell up to expectations. After those two, they went for representations. The Mission: Impossible box was probably frustrating for fans who wanted complete scores of every episode, but because of the lack of ROI, we're not going to see that anymore. So they made a box which touched on every episode to sport an original scores. Wild Wild West, also. There are a few episodes I wished were covered, but either the tapes were gone or they just didn't include them. Even recent shows: Star Trek Enterprise maddeningly keeps excluding the climactic battle music from "Azati Prine"but I am hopeful it'll show up on a future release. Not everyone's favorite is mine.

So, even if all of the music from Land of the Giants and Voyage survived, we wouldn't get a complete box set. I'm not thrilled with it either, but we fans aren't financing these releases. If LLL is losing money on a release, it makes no sense to willingly toss money away. In fact, not only do I feel fortunate we've got this Voyage set, I'm actually surprised they took the chance and did it at all. And they're willing to do a volume 2 if it sells enough.

As far as Giants, nobody "blew it." They made the best and most complete set they could. Sure, it's missing favorite cues for a variety of reasons. You don't have to like it, but at least understand it. Ya know?

Waiting anxiously for my Voyage set to hit my stoop.



Sorry, what's ROI?

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2020 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I do get it, I would love to have complete box sets of all my favorite TV series scores. Here's thing, though: the Star Trek box and particularly the Lost in Space box didn't sell up to expectations. After those two, they went for representations. The Mission: Impossible box was probably frustrating for fans who wanted complete scores of every episode, but because of the lack of ROI, we're not going to see that anymore. So they made a box which touched on every episode to sport an original scores. Wild Wild West, also. There are a few episodes I wished were covered, but either the tapes were gone or they just didn't include them. Even recent shows: Star Trek Enterprise maddeningly keeps excluding the climactic battle music from "Azati Prine"but I am hopeful it'll show up on a future release. Not everyone's favorite is mine.

So, even if all of the music from Land of the Giants and Voyage survived, we wouldn't get a complete box set. I'm not thrilled with it either, but we fans aren't financing these releases. If LLL is losing money on a release, it makes no sense to willingly toss money away. In fact, not only do I feel fortunate we've got this Voyage set, I'm actually surprised they took the chance and did it at all. And they're willing to do a volume 2 if it sells enough.

As far as Giants, nobody "blew it." They made the best and most complete set they could. Sure, it's missing favorite cues for a variety of reasons. You don't have to like it, but at least understand it. Ya know?

Waiting anxiously for my Voyage set to hit my stoop.



Sorry, what's ROI?


Return On Investment.

 
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