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 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

The new release is brilliant. Can't stop listening to it. A high-quality package from beginning to end, from the music to the notes to the visual layout. The variety of composers provides a wealth of different styles that capture the wide range of stories and approaches the series took. If you enjoy classic sci-fi television music, you'd better grab a copy while it's still available!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Interestingly, Mark Phillips and Mike Bailey disagreed on "Man-Beast" by Leith Stevens:

"Mark says: A rather jarring and whiny music score makes it tough going but Lawrence Montaigne brings real pathos to the role of Dr. Braddock. The makeup shots in shadows are effective and the glimpse we get of the dying Montaigne is creepy, as is Crane's "monster face" during the conclusion in the diving bell.


Mike says: Disagreement on the music score thing. Leith Stevens' score gives this episode what so many later-season Voyages lack--forward drive. Energy oozes from the soundtrack as every filmic element comes together. An intelligently written monster story. Crane's suffering under the influence of Hendrix' gas is palpable. Superbly acted on all accounts. Directed with push and drive. This episode is a great example of the fact that yes, you can do an effective monster show. The key is in the writing."

http://www.vttbots.com/episode_central.html

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   charles124   (Member)

I don't know why AND FIVE OF US is used over the fuller LOST BOMB set but overall there seem to be more chunks of fuller episodes than on the disappointing LAND OF THE GIANTS box set which was like having 50 percent of your dream come true. Still the music used during Crane and Ski's escape and the bomb rolling in THE LOST BOMB is probably NOT in those four minutes but one can hope. I also hope the action music used in MONSTER FROM THE INFERNO and almost every other 3rd and 4th season music is there. I'd also LOVE to know where THE FOSSIL MEN music as Crane and then Nelson beat on the rock man in the finale with a pipe came from. I know it is stock music but can't figure out from where. I thought maybe it was written as some of those scores for both LIS and VOYAGE but not sure. I do wish they'd come out with more MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE, LAND OF THE GIANTS (they really blew that one), and VOYAGE box sets. There are plenty of other themes from VOYAGE's first season that are not covered but it does look like a lot of the music from seasons two, three and four are there (though I suspect the 'nice cruise" music from A TIME TO DIE is not there nor the "search" music used in RESCUE and DEADLY DOLLS is not there (really like that pulsating music) as well as some of the other music in THE LOST BOMB, which may or may not have been stock or not, it was used widely in NO ESCAPE FROM DEATH. There is also music on the LOST IN SPACE box set that was used in DEATH WATCH on VOYAGE. Overall, I can't wait for the VOYAGE box set to arrive as it looks much better than both the lacking MISSION and GIANTS box sets which left out a TON of stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

In another FSM thread, Kev McGann (currently posting as Kev MaClunkey) opines:

"The likes of Johnny and Jerry took that old, ancient sounding shit and made it all sound new and young again."
"Fresh Young Minds"

Sound similar to Mike Bailey?

We are to suppose that Lennie Hayton's syrupy sentimental Golden Age romanticism emanates from a dirty old mind (big grin) in lieu of tapping into Goldsmith's young fresh brain juices.

Not until I had gotten the 6-CD set on Quincy Jones via Universal France did I learn from its liner notes that Lena Horne was married to Lennie Hayton!

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I don't know why AND FIVE OF US is used over the fuller LOST BOMB set but overall there seem to be more chunks of fuller episodes than on the disappointing LAND OF THE GIANTS box set which was like having 50 percent of your dream come true....

Before the usual rightous people give Charles124 the usual lecture on humility (as was done in the Land of Giants thread), just let him be. He's obviously a hardcore fan and given the release is incomplete, cut him some slack and let him vent. I'd feel the same way if the TREK box was incomplete.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 7:37 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I don't know why AND FIVE OF US is used over the fuller LOST BOMB set but overall there seem to be more chunks of fuller episodes than on the disappointing LAND OF THE GIANTS box set which was like having 50 percent of your dream come true....

Before the usual rightous people give Charles124 the usual lecture on humility (as was done in the Land of Giants thread), just let him be. He's obviously a hardcore fan and given the release is incomplete, cut him some slack and let him vent. I'd feel the same way if the TREK box was incomplete.


For sure we can all voice our opinions on music we wanted on disc, but it's important to temper one's annoyance with the facts. For example, fans need to remember that in some cases, such as with the Land of Giants set, the actual physical elements for some cues was often unsalvageable and could not be used, the choices weren't just the whims of the album producer.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2020 - 7:50 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

There are plenty of other themes from VOYAGE's first season that are not covered but it does look like a lot of the music from seasons two, three and four are there

I appreciate being a hardcore fan of a show and missing music that didn't make a release. But you could still actually read the thread before posting, and realize that the reason the first season isn't covered beyond the Sawtell pilot score is simple: *there were no available elements*. Jeff Bond also explained that's the reason some of the scores on this set are incomplete; if I understand correctly, all of the scores that are on this set are as complete as elements allowed them to be.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 12:42 AM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)


VOYAGE CD NOTES

I'm glad that LLL provides us with a “survival” set.
I'm happy that the scores of Goldsmith and Drasnin are complete.
I'm eager to get a second volume with the scores of Harry Geller—Geller is popular in the western crowd, in series like Gunsmoke and The Wild Wild West but also Mission: Impossible and Hawaii Five-O.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 12:46 AM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)


ONSCREEN CREDITS MUSIC SCORES


SEASON 1 MUSIC SCORES (12)
01. “Eleven Days to Zero” (14/09/1964) (music by Paul Sawtell)
02. “The City Beneath the Sea” (21/09/1964) (music by Paul Sawtell)
03. “The Fear Makers” (24/09/1964) (music by Hugo Friedhofer and Alexander Courage and conducted by Lionel Newman)
04. “The Mist of Silence” (05/10/1964) (music by Hugo Friedhofer and conducted by Lionel Newman)
05. “The Price of Doom” (12/10/1964) (music by Hugo Friedhofer and Alexander Courage and conducted by Lionel Newman)
07. “Turn Back the Clock” (26/10/1964) (music by Hugo Friedhofer and conducted by Lionel Newman)
08. “The Village of Guilt” (02/11/1964) (music by Paul Sawtell)
09. “Hot Line” (09/11/1964) (music by Paul Sawtell)
10. “Submarine Sunk Here” (16/11/1964) (music by Paul Sawtell)
15. “Long Live the King” (21/12/1964) (music by Paul Sawtell)
23. “The Human Computer” (2/15/65) (music by Morton Stevens and Michael Hennagin and conducted by Lionel Newman)
27. “The Exile” (3/15/65) (music by Paul Sawtell and conducted by Lionel Newman)

SEASON 1 COMPOSERS (6)
Paul Sawtell (7)
Hugo Friedhofer (2)
Hugo Friedhofer & Alexander Courage (2)
Morton Stevens & Michael Hennagin (1)


SEASON 2 MUSIC SCORES (11)
33. “Jonah and the Whale” (9/19/1965) (Music: Jerry Goldsmith)
34. “Time Bomb” (9/26/1965) (Music: Leith Stevens)
35. “... And Five of Us Are Left” (10/3/1965) (Music: Lenny Hayton)
36. “The Cyborg” (10/10/65) (Music: Alexander Courage)
37. “Escape From Venice” (10/17/1965) (Music: Nelson Riddle)
38. “The Left-Handed Man” (10/24/1965) (Music: Leith Stevens)
40. “Leviathan” (11/7/1965) (Music: Alexander Courage)
42. “The Silent Saboteurs” (11/28/1965) (Music: Lenny Hayton)
43. “The X-factor” (12/5/1965) (Music: Leith Stevens)
45. “Monster From Outer Space” (12/19/65) (Music: Lenny Hayton)
49. “The Phantom Strikes” (1/16/1966) (Music: Lenny Hayton & Herman Stein)

SEASON 2 COMPOSERS (7)
Jerry Goldsmith (1)
Leith Stevens (3)
Lennie Hayton (3)
Alexander Courage (2)
Nelson Riddle (1)
Lenny Hayton & Herman Stein (1)


SEASON 3 MUSIC SCORES (7)
59. “Monster from the Inferno” (9/18/66) (Music: Leith Stevens)
60. “Werewolf” (9/25/66) (Music: Lennie Hayton)
62. “Night of Terror” (10/9/66) (Music: Lennie Hayton)
67. “The Death Watch” (11/13/66) (Music: Lennie Hayton)
71. “The Lost Bomb” (12/11/66) (Music: Alexander Courage)
74. “Death from the Past” (1/8/67) (Music: Leith Stevens)
82. “The Wax Men” (3/5/67) (Music: Robert Drasnin)

SEASON 3 COMPOSERS (4)
Leith Stevens (2)
Lennie Hayton (3)
Alexander Courage (1)
Robert Drasnin (1)


SEASON 4 MUSIC SCORES (12)
86. “The Deadly Dolls” (10/1/67) (Music: Harry Geller)
89. “Sealed Orders” (10/22/67) (Music: Harry Geller)
92. “Time Lock” (11/12/67) (Music: Lennie Hayton)
95. “A Time to Die” (12/3/67) (Music: Leith Stevens)
96. “Blow Up” (12/10/67) (Music: Leith Stevens)
98. “The Return of Blackbeard” (12/31/67) (Music: Joseph Mullendore)
99. “The Terrible Leprechaun” (1/7/68) (Music: Leith Stevens)
104. “Man-Beast” (2/18/68) (Music: Leith Stevens)
105. “Savage Jungle” (2/25/68) (Music: Harry Geller)
106. “Flaming Ice” (3/3/68) (Music: Alexander Courage)
107. “Attack!” (3/10/68) (Music: Irving Gertz)
109. “The Death Clock” (3/24/68) (Music: Harry Geller)

SEASON 4 COMPOSERS (6)
Harry Geller (4)
Leith Stevens (4)
Lennie Hayton (1)
Joseph Mullendore (1)
Alexander Courage (1)
Irving Gertz (1)

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I'd also LOVE to know where THE FOSSIL MEN music as Crane and then Nelson beat on the rock man in the finale with a pipe came from. I know it is stock music but can't figure out from where.

This is one cue I have yet to find anywhere and I suspect it's library music composed for the series AS library. It's not on the set and if it survives at all it may show up on the hoped for second volume.

Guys like Jeff Bond, That Neil Guy and the crew at LLL are as rabid of fans of this music as we are. We even get music from film stems.

Lot of music is missing or gone. Whetever they could salvage from the episodes represented are all that was left.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   NSBulk   (Member)

Guys like Jeff Bond, That Neil Guy and the crew at LLL are as rabid of fans of this music as we are. We even get music from film stems.

I'll never be as cool as That Neil Guy. https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/fsm_profile.cfm?ID=601

Neil

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 8:04 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Guys like Jeff Bond, That Neil Guy and the crew at LLL are as rabid of fans of this music as we are. We even get music from film stems.

I'll never be as cool as That Neil Guy. https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/fsm_profile.cfm?ID=601

Neil


I mean't the REAL Neil guy, natch! big grin

Sorry! Too many Neils, too little time.

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

We really only had five minutes of music from The Lost Bomb but it contains a big fight cue that's one of the series' action highlights (this is included in the music samples). As for Stevens' Man-Beast score it's fascinating--done almost entirely with strings and piano, very much Bartok-influenced and completely different from Stevens' familiar, brass-heavy style, and I love having it to show the composer's range since the bulk of his other scores for the series are in a very similar (and very effective) style.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

SEASON 1 COMPOSERS (6)
Paul Sawtell (7)
Hugo Friedhofer (2)
Hugo Friedhofer & Alexander Courage (2)
Morton Stevens & Michael Hennagin (1)


Too bad the scores from Hugo Friedhofer are lost …

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Of the first season music, those I am most bummed about being lost are:

01. “Eleven Days to Zero” (14/09/1964) (music by Paul Sawtell) - the stuff not being released (which admittedly isn't much)
04. “The Mist of Silence” (05/10/1964) (music by Hugo Friedhofer and conducted by Lionel Newman) - great Latin-theme compositions. Awesome work.
05. “The Price of Doom” (12/10/1964) (music by Hugo Friedhofer and Alexander Courage and conducted by Lionel Newman) - great horror-type stuff also used in "The Plant Man" one of the very few times first season music was tracked in a color episode. Probably because the montsers are thematically similar.
07. “Turn Back the Clock” (26/10/1964) (music by Hugo Friedhofer and conducted by Lionel Newman) - very fun stuff.
08. “The Village of Guilt” (02/11/1964) (music by Paul Sawtell) - some really seminal music here, especially the ending.
23. “The Human Computer” (2/15/65) (music by Morton Stevens and Michael Hennagin and conducted by Lionel Newman) - great piano work!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

Curious to know if any of Herman Stein's music from "The Phantom Strikes" survived?

Same goes for Irving Gertz's "Attack!" Was hoping this would be released so I could share it with Irving's widow, Dorothy, who is rapidly approaching 100 years old!

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 5:37 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I don't know why AND FIVE OF US is used over the fuller LOST BOMB set but overall there seem to be more chunks of fuller episodes than on the disappointing LAND OF THE GIANTS box set which was like having 50 percent of your dream come true....

Before the usual rightous people give Charles124 the usual lecture on humility (as was done in the Land of Giants thread), just let him be. He's obviously a hardcore fan and given the release is incomplete, cut him some slack and let him vent. I'd feel the same way if the TREK box was incomplete.


For sure we can all voice our opinions on music we wanted on disc, but...


I see you and predictably Yavar missed the point entirely, can't resist the same old lecture. It's ironic for him since he's on a Goldsmith crusade but can't allow someone else the same obsessiveness. Venting over an incomplete release may not be rational, but neither is being obsessed with one composer, or anything else about our "hobby."

 
 Posted:   Jun 26, 2020 - 11:00 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I see you and predictably Yavar missed the point entirely, can't resist the same old lecture.

Yup, that "same old lecture" that goes, "read the thread before posting, and you might find out why some music is missing from this set". So tiresome! I understood the point you were trying to make; that doesn't mean I agreed with it in this case.

It's ironic for him since he's on a Goldsmith crusade but can't allow someone else the same obsessiveness.

Not nearly as ironic as it is for you to lecture people about giving lectures. wink

I've got not problem allowing for obsessiveness. In fact I started out my response by writing, "I appreciate being a hardcore fan of a show and missing music that didn't make a release." Then I pointed out to him that many of the things not on this set were NOT a decision by the producers, but because they no longer survived to release -- particularly all the first season scoring besides the previously-released pilot music. And I pointed out if he had bothered the read the actual release threads for this thing he cares so much about (if I cared so much about something, I certainly would bother to read the thread before posting) then there would have been no need for me to inform him, and maybe he would have complained a little differently than he did.

Venting over an incomplete release may not be rational, but neither is being obsessed with one composer, or anything else about our "hobby."

There's "passionate" and/or "not entirely rational"...and then there's (for lack of a better term) uncool. I happen to know a bit about how much work went into this release. I talked to people who were involved and have been working on it for a LONG time. I know that they too are frustrated about the missing music. I know that they want to release more from the series if possible. So having someone come in and second guess not only hard choices they had to make about what to include, but also act like things that were not in their control WERE in their control...well that's, to me, kinda immature behavior. "They really blew that one" in regards to a generous 4 disc set from Land of the Giants? There are better ways to express one's disappointment. I would have produced a fairly different 4 disc set of Buffy the Vampire Slayer highlights than the one that came out from LLL, focusing more on the development of melodic/thematic material throughout the series. Doesn't mean I'm going to ignore that the producer(s) of that set probably had very good reasons for selecting what ultimately made it on (a desire to reflect more variety of what was written for the series, no doubt).

He wrote: "I don't know why AND FIVE OF US is used over the fuller LOST BOMB set" and "there are plenty of other themes from VOYAGE's first season that are not covered"

Well, if he'd bothered to read Jeff's other posts, he would have known why.

You liken this to my Goldsmith obsessiveness, but here's how my obsessive, "I want every note!" behavior is very different: believe me, if a piece of Goldsmith music is left off a release, I'm damn well going to thoroughly read all the info I can and know the reason why *before* complaining about it. And if I learn that some music is left off because it no longer survives, I sure as hell am not going to complain at all! I may express disappointment that some music is lost, but there's a difference between that and assuming that the producers of a set just dropped the ball, without making the slightest effort to inform oneself first.

Hell, when we covered Studs Lonigan for The Goldsmith Odyssey, we found several original Goldsmith cues in the film which were left off the Varese and Quartet releases of the score. Listen to this podcast and you won't find me adopting a tone of complaint:
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/866001-episode-15-studs-lonigan-1960

My default assumption, until I learn otherwise, is that if something isn't on a release it's because for one reason or another it couldn't be. His default assumption seems to be that the producers of a set either are incompetent or just don't care. I guess I think there are more mature and productive ways of voicing disappointment.

And as usual, I've spent far too much time writing a post explaining my position to someone who probably doesn't give a damn...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 1:41 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)


La-La Land Records, Synthesis Entertainment, 20th Century Studios and Legendary Pictures proudly present VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA – ORIGINAL TELEVISION SOUNDTRACK COLLECTION: LIMITED EDITION, a deluxe 4-CD collection of original music from the classic Irwin Allen 1964-1968 sci-fi/deep ocean adventure television series!



After enthusiasm about the music has subsided slightly, can we ask why four (4!) entities were involved?
If 20th Century Fox holds the rights to the series & its music, then why did La-La Land need to be involved with 2 other companies?
What connection does "Legendary Pictures" have to vintage television?
What or who is "Synthesis Entertainment"?

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2020 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

And as usual, I've spent far too much time writing a post explaining my position to someone who probably doesn't give a damn...

By now, everyone including Charles knows the potential reasons for an incomplete release so he was clearly venting. But I'm sure the lecture was worth it if you post to hear the sound of your own voice.

 
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