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 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

or is TDI doing something?

TD's label is now called Eastgate.





Nothing seems to be happening. A year or two back, on the TD website, there was very vague, very prelim question asking if people would be interested in score releases, but nothing since.

I hope BSX is working on a rerecording of The Keep, as they did with The Thing and Blade Runner etc... but... there doesn't seem to be any organized effort to get those great TD scores expanded and back on disc....

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

There are issues that are not public knowledge (and nothing I've been privy too eithe) that the score to The Keep is wrapped up in issues. LaLaLand listed it among their very short "it's never coming, so don't ask" list.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Supposedly the release was cancelled twice, the aborted Virgin LP at the time of the film's release, and then again in the late 90's - but the last proposed release may have been the TDI version which includes very little actual score.

I'm guessing some of the legal issues may come from the alternate arrangement / adaptation of Brian Eno/ David Byrne's "Mea Culpa" used as the film opening track - or even the use of Howard Blake's The Snowman ? Eno & Byrne were never listed in the film credits, whereas Blake was mentioned.

The Tangerine Tree version is the easiest to locate these days and is a good representation of the score...although there's more ambient music missing from that version.


Lots of good info on the score can be heard here....

http://www.kitrae.net/music/The%20Keep%20Soundtrack%20by%20Tangerine%20Dream.html

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2013 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I find his remixed material unlistenable.


I think the remixes themselves are hit-or-miss, depending on whether or not you like TD as eezee-listening-dinner-muzak. I'm not crazy about them, but once in a blue moon is okay.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2013 - 6:28 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I find his remixed material unlistenable.


I think the remixes themselves are hit-or-miss, depending on whether or not you like TD as eezee-listening-dinner-muzak. I'm not crazy about them, but once in a blue moon is okay.



Most of the tracks in the Tangents box are fine for me. Some later rerecorded tracks like "No Man's Land", are worlds away from the originals, though.
The 2008 album recording of Hyperborea and Tangram are good, while his reworking of Phaedra isn't as successful. But his new album recordings of Epsilon In Mayalsian Pale, Stuntman and Macula Transfer are solid ( although nothing replaces the original Stuntman album, not only Froese's best solo album but I'd rate it top 10 among all TD associated recordings ) .

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

BTW, anyone knows why the movie ended being so messed?

Did the studio forced director to cut it? The money ended?

What happened?


In answer to an actual question from you, Scott Glenn told me that effects man Wally Veevers passed away before he was able to finish the sequence. Various effects people were called in, but no one could figure out the process he used in order to finish the scene, which I believe involved significant wire work. So they basically had to go with what they had, hence the truncated ending. However, you can watch a longer finale here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoHldOn-i9E

Here's an excellent KEEP fan site as well.

http://the.keep.free.fr/default_en.htm

They just played a print at Cinefamily. A brilliantly atmospheric, mind-boggling horror movie. Still my all-time grail to see out on CD one of these days.

DS



@The Mutant - told ya so, this is the thread, specifically the post, I refenced on FB smile
Makes me want to take action and get that Laserdisc player re-hooked up, so I can
watch again in all its 'Scope glory.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2013 - 12:38 AM   
 By:   nasnandos   (Member)

Supposedly the release was cancelled twice, the aborted Virgin LP at the time of the film's release, and then again in the late 90's - but the last proposed release may have been the TDI version which includes very little actual score.

I'm guessing some of the legal issues may come from the alternate arrangement / adaptation of Brian Eno/ David Byrne's "Mea Culpa" used as the film opening track - or even the use of Howard Blake's The Snowman ? Eno & Byrne were never listed in the film credits, whereas Blake was mentioned.

The Tangerine Tree version is the easiest to locate these days and is a good representation of the score...although there's more ambient music missing from that version.


Lots of good info on the score can be heard here....

http://www.kitrae.net/music/The%20Keep%20Soundtrack%20by%20Tangerine%20Dream.html


Since you reference my website, I'll post the youtube of the actual film score to The Keep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VPKs1Io7A0&feature=youtu.be&t=1s

That contains every piece of music from the film and is superior to the Tangerine Tree version. Fantastic stuff. Chances of there ever being an actual official film score released (The 1997 official TDI release is not the film score) now are essentially zero, so that is as close as it is going to get.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2013 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I have the suspicion that BSX may have this one on their plate as a rerecording project. If so and if they can get a recreation as wonderful as their versions of The Thing & Blade Runner, that'd be a a very welcome release !

 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2013 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   FarTraveler   (Member)

I have the suspicion that BSX may have this one on their plate as a rerecording project. If so and if they can get a recreation as wonderful as their versions of The Thing & Blade Runner, that'd be a a very welcome release !

If they issue a re-performance of "The Keep" that's on par with their "Blade Runner," I'd definitely buy that!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2013 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I have the suspicion that BSX may have this one on their plate as a rerecording project. If so and if they can get a recreation as wonderful as their versions of The Thing & Blade Runner, that'd be a a very welcome release !

If they issue a re-performance of "The Keep" that's on par with their "Blade Runner," I'd definitely buy that!




Yeah it'd be a must have. I don't have any solid info that they are working on it, but I did mention it in some past thread that it'd be a good project for BSX - this was probably when they released The Thing - and either Ford or MikeJ commented that it would indeed be a good idea. An idea is like a virus lol...

The BSX version of Legend is a good album but not as successful for me. Very little additional score was recorded, mainly it was a recreation of the MCA album. It works and has some unique takes ( a lot of the music is re-interpreted with an acoustic sound ) , but I'd have preferred more unreleased score.

However yes... if they can do anything as brilliant as their Blade Runner album ... oooooh la la big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 23, 2013 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   nasnandos   (Member)

If they do, I hope they stick to just the film music, and not the glut of other Keep music out there that was never heard in the film.

 
 Posted:   Nov 24, 2013 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I have the suspicion that BSX may have this one on their plate as a rerecording project. If so and if they can get a recreation as wonderful as their versions of The Thing & Blade Runner, that'd be a a very welcome release !

If they issue a re-performance of "The Keep" that's on par with their "Blade Runner," I'd definitely buy that!




Yeah it'd be a must have. I don't have any solid info that they are working on it, but I did mention it in some past thread that it'd be a good project for BSX - this was probably when they released The Thing - and either Ford or MikeJ commented that it would indeed be a good idea. An idea is like a virus lol...

The BSX version of Legend is a good album but not as successful for me. Very little additional score was recorded, mainly it was a recreation of the MCA album. It works and has some unique takes ( a lot of the music is re-interpreted with an acoustic sound ) , but I'd have preferred more unreleased score.

However yes... if they can do anything as brilliant as their Blade Runner album ... oooooh la la big grin


If there is one guy who could fix that, it would be Edgar Rothermich.

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

If they issue a re-performance of "The Keep" that's on par with their "Blade Runner," I'd definitely buy that!

I'd buy the heck out of that!

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

The original tracks from THE KEEP have never surfaced on CD yet.

Most other CD releases have been rerecordings form various sources including a toned down one made by Edgar Froese himself, which I;ve been told by TaDream enthusiasts pales by comparison to the genuine score.

It would seem if you hate THIEF, you won't like much else of what they have done... steer clear.


I sort of can see his point. The Keep reminds me of TD's earlier Virgin years albums like Stratosphere, Phaedra, even Sorcerer. The synths The Dream used on Thief were more digital like the GDS and less analog like their Arps, Moogs, Polymoogs, Prophet 5, etc. that were warmer sounding.

Don't get me wrong though- Thief is my all time favorite TD score! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2013 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

I'm sure I've posted this exact same comment somewhere before or some variation thereof, but: hot damn, I would snatch up a faithful rerecording of The Keep in a heartbeat.

 
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