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 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

2018 marks the 40th anniversary of Superman: The Movie. Are there plans in the works for a reissue of John Williams' landmark score?

I have (had) the old Rhino 2-CD release but it became defective (freezing and skipping) a few years ago (this seems to have occurred with many Warner Brothers CD and DVD products from roughly 1999-2006).

Apologies if a thread for this has already been posted. The search function is a bit...tricky...lately.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

It goes without saying there's the definitive Blue Box set. But I guess your asking for a separate release of the first score? Thankfully I was able to afford the box set when it came out, but I think the score should have a stand alone release too.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   MikeyKW   (Member)

I hope they do redo the first film score. I haven't picked up the blue box set as I'm not that interested in the other films.


It goes without saying there's the definitive Blue Box set. But I guess your asking for a separate release of the first score? Thankfully I was able to afford the box set when it came out, but I think the score should have a stand alone release too.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I hope they do redo the first film score. I haven't picked up the blue box set as I'm not that interested in the other films.

This reflects my own preference as well.

Would a Superman 40th anniversary set be something one of the boutique labels release or is Superman '78 appealing enough for Warner Brothers to do?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   MikeyKW   (Member)

I suspect Warners would not be interested at this point as all of the earlier releases are still in print. I'm hoping LalaLand will eventually have a go at it as the Rhino sound quality isn't that great, and there are better-quality elements available.


I hope they do redo the first film score. I haven't picked up the blue box set as I'm not that interested in the other films.

This reflects my own preference as well.

Would a Superman 40th anniversary set be something one of the boutique labels release or is Superman '78 appealing enough for Warner Brothers to do?

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   John73   (Member)

I seem to recall reading the digital transfer used for the Blue Box was actually quite old, with the 6-track units being transferred to digital in 2000. That’s nearly 18 years ago! (I apologise if I have mis-remembered this however!).
I’m sure it would benefit from a fresh state of the art transfer judging by the incredible sound achieved on other recent archival Williams releases.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   (Member)   (Member)

2018 marks the 40th anniversary of Superman: The Movie. Are there plans in the works for a reissue of John Williams' landmark score?

I have (had) the old Rhino 2-CD release but it became defective (freezing and skipping) a few years ago (this seems to have occurred with many Warner Brothers CD and DVD products from roughly 1999-2006).

Apologies if a thread for this has already been posted. The search function is a bit...tricky...lately.



I second your wish to get a stand alone Superman: The Movie (John Williams).
I also own the Rhino CD.
The track "The Planet Krypton" is wonderful.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   babbelballetje   (Member)

Nothing will ever beat the blue box, but those Superman scores, all 4 movies, do deserve their own cd release and time in the spotlight.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I second your wish to get a stand alone Superman: The Movie (John Williams).
I also own the Rhino CD.
The track "The Planet Krypton" is wonderful.


Indeed it is. I'm also quite fond of "The Fortress of Solitude" cue; imo it's among Williams' finest works. In fact, as great as the action stuff is, I find myself listening to the majestic Krypton cues and warm, heartfelt Americana music of Clark Kent's Smallville years. Didn't the actor playing young Clark later have a role in the second Amityville Horror film--the one with Burt Young? I'm not sure.

Ah, but I digress.

The Blue Box is more than I wish to have--I've never even seen the 1988 Superman cartoon. I merely wish to own an affordable, updated, and best-possible-sounding release of Superman: the Movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   MikeyKW   (Member)

While I agree that the score Superman IV is worthy of rediscovery at some point, I just don't care that much for the thinly-orchestrated rehash that is the Superman II score, and I certainly don't care about the noise of Superman III or the cartoon music or source cues.

I wouldn't imagine that going back to the original 6-track masters would be helpful, as I suspect they would have only degraded further in the last 17 years. They would also have to re-do all of the digital production work they did on it (reducing pops, smoothing over edits, correcting pitch errors, etc.).

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   John73   (Member)

I wouldn't imagine that going back to the original 6-track masters would be helpful, as I suspect they would have only degraded further in the last 17 years. They would also have to re-do all of the digital production work they did on it (reducing pops, smoothing over edits, correcting pitch errors, etc.).

Well they did just that with E.T., Close Encounters, Jaws 1 & 2 and so forth, and the results were fantastic. I think there’s still better results possible from those masters using today’s ADCs.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Nah the Blue Box is pretty much the last word in terms of AQ. The most I'd see happening would be Disc 1 and 2 getting a digital release on Amazon via WaterTower but that's it.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   Glenn Butler   (Member)

I just don't care that much for the thinly-orchestrated rehash that is the Superman II score, and I certainly don't care about the noise of Superman III or the cartoon music or source cues.

I had hoped that the Blue Box put this sort of thing to bed. The improved sound quality breathes new life into Thorne's scores and highlights his great uses of Williams' themes ("Clark to Fortress" and "Return of the Green Crystal" are particular highlights). By all means like what you like, but "thinly-orchestrated" it is not.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Didn't the actor playing young Clark later have a role in the second Amityville Horror film--the one with Burt Young? I'm not sure.



Jeff East might be second-most-famous for playing "Huckleberry Finn" in two Williams-scored Sherman brothers musicals.


BTW, did everyone notice the '78 film's "Jimmy Olsen" (Marc McClure) in the new "Justice League"? He played a desk clerk at the police station. IMDB list him as "Officer Ben Sadowski."

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Actors:Marc_McClure

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   That Bloke   (Member)

I just don't care that much for the thinly-orchestrated rehash that is the Superman II score, and I certainly don't care about the noise of Superman III or the cartoon music or source cues.

I had hoped that the Blue Box put this sort of thing to bed. The improved sound quality breathes new life into Thorne's scores and highlights his great uses of Williams' themes ("Clark to Fortress" and "Return of the Green Crystal" are particular highlights). By all means like what you like, but "thinly-orchestrated" it is not.


^ This. Yes.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   rcashill   (Member)

I second your wish to get a stand alone Superman: The Movie (John Williams).
I also own the Rhino CD.
The track "The Planet Krypton" is wonderful.


Indeed it is. I'm also quite fond of "The Fortress of Solitude" cue; imo it's among Williams' finest works. In fact, as great as the action stuff is, I find myself listening to the majestic Krypton cues and warm, heartfelt Americana music of Clark Kent's Smallville years. Didn't the actor playing young Clark later have a role in the second Amityville Horror film--the one with Burt Young? I'm not sure.

Ah, but I digress.

The Blue Box is more than I wish to have--I've never even seen the 1988 Superman cartoon. I merely wish to own an affordable, updated, and best-possible-sounding release of Superman: the Movie.


The AMITYVILLE II actor you're thinking of is Jack Magner, who had only one other film role (in FIRESTARTER).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   rcashill   (Member)

I second your wish to get a stand alone Superman: The Movie (John Williams).
I also own the Rhino CD.
The track "The Planet Krypton" is wonderful.


Indeed it is. I'm also quite fond of "The Fortress of Solitude" cue; imo it's among Williams' finest works. In fact, as great as the action stuff is, I find myself listening to the majestic Krypton cues and warm, heartfelt Americana music of Clark Kent's Smallville years. Didn't the actor playing young Clark later have a role in the second Amityville Horror film--the one with Burt Young? I'm not sure.

Ah, but I digress.

The Blue Box is more than I wish to have--I've never even seen the 1988 Superman cartoon. I merely wish to own an affordable, updated, and best-possible-sounding release of Superman: the Movie.


The AMITYVILLE II actor you're thinking of is Jack Magner, who had only one other film role (in FIRESTARTER).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 5:28 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

I just don't care that much for the thinly-orchestrated rehash that is the Superman II score, and I certainly don't care about the noise of Superman III or the cartoon music or source cues.

I had hoped that the Blue Box put this sort of thing to bed. The improved sound quality breathes new life into Thorne's scores and highlights his great uses of Williams' themes ("Clark to Fortress" and "Return of the Green Crystal" are particular highlights). By all means like what you like, but "thinly-orchestrated" it is not.


To be fair, MikeyKW said he hasn't bought the Blue Box, so he hasn't heard how it sounds in the set.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2017 - 7:27 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

To recommend further one of my favorite box sets ever, not only is Thorne's SUPERMAN II heard as it was meant to sound (much better than in the film's mix), but Alexander Courage's SUPERMAN IV proves a revelation, and worth the price of the box IMHO.

If only the film's other creative talent took this project as seriously as did the "old pro" Courage . . .


(Jim, any chance you're remembering East in "Pumpkinhead," not "Amityville II"?)

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2017 - 4:22 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I have to chime in and say that Thorne's scores do indeed shine much more brightly in this set than they do in their respective films or on their original soundtrack albums. The main reaction I had to hearing them in this set was surprise at how energetic and full they sound on their own terms when properly mixed — and how precise Thorne's direction is; these performances are tight.

Whether or not you care to own them is, of course, up to you. Superman II is indeed just a re-arrangment of the original score repurposed for the new movie, but the arrangements and performances Thorne wrought were solid.

And the Ron Jones disc is a lot of fun.

 
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