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 Posted:   Dec 4, 2017 - 7:15 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

I second your wish to get a stand alone Superman: The Movie (John Williams).
I also own the Rhino CD.
The track "The Planet Krypton" is wonderful.


Indeed it is. I'm also quite fond of "The Fortress of Solitude" cue; imo it's among Williams' finest works. In fact, as great as the action stuff is, I find myself listening to the majestic Krypton cues and warm, heartfelt Americana music of Clark Kent's Smallville years. Didn't the actor playing young Clark later have a role in the second Amityville Horror film--the one with Burt Young? I'm not sure.

Ah, but I digress.

The Blue Box is more than I wish to have--I've never even seen the 1988 Superman cartoon. I merely wish to own an affordable, updated, and best-possible-sounding release of Superman: the Movie.


Have to agree here. When I bought the original vinyl double album back in the day, the first side of the first record got way more play than the rest. Of course it plays to more visual stuff with less dialogue, and is the more serious part of the film which gets the better and more satisfyingly dramatic treatment.

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2017 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

2018 marks the 40th anniversary of Superman: The Movie. Are there plans in the works for a reissue of John Williams' landmark score?

I have (had) the old Rhino 2-CD release but it became defective (freezing and skipping) a few years ago (this seems to have occurred with many Warner Brothers CD and DVD products from roughly 1999-2006).


I offer here an obvious answer: Why don't you buy another copy of the Rhino release? It's available quite cheap these days. I haven't listened to it in a long time, but isn't it fairly comprehensive and decent sound?

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2017 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)


I have (had) the old Rhino 2-CD release but it became defective (freezing and skipping) a few years ago (this seems to have occurred with many Warner Brothers CD and DVD products from roughly 1999-2006).

I offer here an obvious answer: Why don't you buy another copy of the Rhino release? It's available quite cheap these days. I haven't listened to it in a long time, but isn't it fairly comprehensive and decent sound?


Why? Because when that particular edition of the release begins freezing, skipping, and otherwise becoming unplayable I don't want to have to feel like *this* again:



I find it odd that there would be resistance to a new release for a landmark score by the world's most popular film music composer working at the peak of his powers.

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2017 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I totally understand people wanting a standalone release of this iconic score. I adore the Blue Box but I rarely (VERY rarely) listen to anything outside of the first film. (I understand IV has its fans. I'm not one of them.) So it's a pricey proposition for a single score. (Thank heavens I didn't have kids yet.)

That said, I cannot imagine anything getting me to buy Superman again. I own it four times on CD (including the re-recording - which I should revisit). And the Blue Box is amazing. So I think I'm done.

Star Wars on the other hand...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2017 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Still in the same logic of Superman: The Movie, I deeply wish to get a standalone The Power (1968/Miklos Rozsa).

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2017 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I seem to recall reading the digital transfer used for the Blue Box was actually quite old, with the 6-track units being transferred to digital in 2000. That’s nearly 18 years ago! (I apologise if I have mis-remembered this however!).
I’m sure it would benefit from a fresh state of the art transfer judging by the incredible sound achieved on other recent archival Williams releases.



But the Blue Box has audiophile sound quality. Literally nobody has ever complained about it. If the first score gets a stand-alone release, they could just use the Blue Box as its master.

The 6-track source (an earlier-generation tape than what the Rhino came from) was probably re-transferred for the Blue Box well after 2001 but before 2007, from what I can deduce. But in any case, when it came to making analog-to-digital transfers, even the year 2000 was not a primitive time. They knew how to capture the full sound a tape had to offer.

The 1998 John Debney/Royal Scottish National Orchestra set (Varese, 2-CD) was recorded in 20-bit digital and it's still worth referring to. Different sonics, different miking, some tempos vary, but still a close homage to the OST and very enjoyable. Running length of 82 minutes. If the Rhino isn't coming your way and you can't afford the Blue Box, you could do a lot worse than this album.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2017 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   MikeyKW   (Member)

Not having heard the set, I meant only how it sounds in the film, which to my ears sounded very thin and much less epic than the first. From what I've read, the music tracks for Superman II were not originally used in such a way to really present them in the best possible way in the film.

I also didn't really care for how it was primarily original Williams material, cut and pasted to fit the new film.

I just don't care that much for the thinly-orchestrated rehash that is the Superman II score, and I certainly don't care about the noise of Superman III or the cartoon music or source cues.

I had hoped that the Blue Box put this sort of thing to bed. The improved sound quality breathes new life into Thorne's scores and highlights his great uses of Williams' themes ("Clark to Fortress" and "Return of the Green Crystal" are particular highlights). By all means like what you like, but "thinly-orchestrated" it is not.

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2017 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

But the Blue Box has audiophile sound quality. Literally nobody has ever complained about it. If the first score gets a stand-alone release, they could just use the Blue Box as its master.

Really? Not even that member who pops into Intrada release threads and tells us about how bad the mastering is and it's the wrong channels, this that and the other thing and only he has the ears of an Audiophile God? In broken English.


(if you laughed, good)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2017 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   MikeyKW   (Member)

The difference is that all of the original Superman tracks were digitally transferred from the 6-tracks at the time. With the other titles you mentioned, there was unreleased material that needed to be transferred.

The original elements for Superman were apparently not in the best shape at the time and needed a lot of TLC to guide them through digital transfer.


I wouldn't imagine that going back to the original 6-track masters would be helpful, as I suspect they would have only degraded further in the last 17 years. They would also have to re-do all of the digital production work they did on it (reducing pops, smoothing over edits, correcting pitch errors, etc.).

Well they did just that with E.T., Close Encounters, Jaws 1 & 2 and so forth, and the results were fantastic. I think there’s still better results possible from those masters using today’s ADCs.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2017 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   MikeyKW   (Member)

double post. sorry.

 
 Posted:   Dec 4, 2017 - 5:35 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

I hate to be a prude but the FSM Blue Box was mastered from a film source (in this case, 6-track 35mm mag double-LCR), not tape.


But the Blue Box has audiophile sound quality. Literally nobody has ever complained about it. If the first score gets a stand-alone release, they could just use the Blue Box as its master.


You must not have seen the cancellation frenzy over at a certain other forum notorious for breaking into mass hysterics when Malone claimed the FSM had noise reduction applied to it then.

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2017 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   davefg   (Member)

No love for the re-recording performed by the RSNO and conducted by Debney? It is still out there if interested

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2017 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

No love for the re-recording performed by the RSNO and conducted by Debney? It is still out there if interested


I love it. Great sounding recording, a nice version of the score.

A standalone set of the first score as presented from the FSM box would be nice for those who couldn't afford the box, 'cause the version of the flying sequence without Kidder's vocal is ESSENTIAL big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2017 - 4:51 PM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

It goes without saying there's the definitive Blue Box set. But I guess your asking for a separate release of the first score? Thankfully I was able to afford the box set when it came out, but I think the score should have a stand alone release too.

More Money...Mo Money

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2018 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   alexp   (Member)

Any 'Live-to-Projection' concerts of this movie in the works? It has the potential to be a family-friendly movie, if the organizers can get pass the "Move your ass!" line from the film.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2018 - 6:10 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Any 'Live-to-Projection' concerts of this movie in the works? It has the potential to be a family-friendly movie, if the organizers can get pass the "Move your ass!" line from the film.

The robbers on the boat also say “Bull#@%&!” as well.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2018 - 7:28 PM   
 By:   digitalfreaknyc   (Member)

Any 'Live-to-Projection' concerts of this movie in the works? It has the potential to be a family-friendly movie, if the organizers can get pass the "Move your ass!" line from the film.

Great idea!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Reeve   (Member)

I am not sure if this is the best place to ask this, (I have been wanting to ask for years)... but obviously - this being the best soundtrack in the world - I am very honest when I state that - I hope - if this score does get re-released, there is something that has bothered me with the cue:

The Flying Sequence/Can You Read My Mind.

It is also in every version of the film itself (not just on the soundtracks).

There is a "glitch" (yes, a GLITCH)...

On the 06:59 mark... just before it goes into 7:00 of this you tube link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgJ1-TqSjQ4 ...(sorry there doesn't appear to be a better link for this demonstration)...

THE GLITCH WAS NOT TAKEN OUT OF THE BLUE BOX EITHER.

So when it comes time to restoring the score (yet again)...
Please remove the glitch! It is so obvious. It is one of the most gorgeous music cues in the universe, and yet, it gets ruind by that blasted "glitch". (What else can we call it?)

If any of you don't know what I am talking about, it is when Margot Kidder states:
"If you need a friend..."
(the glitch sounds like she is swallowing something) - I mean it.
"I'm the one to fly to".

So please Mike Matessino, when you work on this triumphant score the next time.. please remove the glitch on the track titled "The Flying Sequence/Can You Read My Mind". (Do I need to start a new thread for this? I hope not). PLEASE.
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   CCW1970   (Member)

I am not sure if this is the best place to ask this, (I have been wanting to ask for years)... but obviously - this being the best soundtrack in the world - I am very honest when I state that - I hope - if this score does get re-released, there is something that has bothered me with the cue:

The Flying Sequence/Can You Read My Mind.

It is also in every version of the film itself (not just on the soundtracks).

There is a "glitch" (yes, a GLITCH)...

On the 06:59 mark... just before it goes into 7:00 of this you tube link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgJ1-TqSjQ4 ...(sorry there doesn't appear to be a better link for this demonstration)...

THE GLITCH WAS NOT TAKEN OUT OF THE BLUE BOX EITHER.

So when it comes time to restoring the score (yet again)...
Please remove the glitch! It is so obvious. It is one of the most gorgeous music cues in the universe, and yet, it gets ruind by that blasted "glitch". (What else can we call it?)

If any of you don't know what I am talking about, it is when Margot Kidder states:
"If you need a friend..."
(the glitch sounds like she is swallowing something) - I mean it.
"I'm the one to fly to".

So please Mike Matessino, when you work on this triumphant score the next time.. please remove the glitch on the track titled "The Flying Sequence/Can You Read My Mind". (Do I need to start a new thread for this? I hope not). PLEASE.
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!


I've listened to the link three times and don't hear a glitch. The only noticeable thing is the pronounced electric bass guitar note. I think the bass player "slapped" or plucked the bass string more prominently in that moment, to accent it. Nearly positive that's what you're hearing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2018 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   Reeve   (Member)

Thank You CCW1970.

...but still, even though it is not a manufacturing issue... it does not sound like that "slap" of the bass guitar is something us listeners should NOT be hearing... even when I was 10 years old - that "slap" always ruined the magic of the piece. I use to record it from the TV, that is how I know it is also heard in the film. (and it is also in the instrumental versions).

Oh well... THANK YOU for answering. I hope you are correct. Maybe they can re-mix it, so that "slap" is not so pronounced - especially in the instrumental version, which is my favourite cue of the score (next to "The Fortress Of Solitude" of course).

 
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