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 Posted:   Jun 18, 2016 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The Jungle Book was the antithesis of what you just said, so it's completely reasonable to expect another David Arnold-esque score for Independence Day 2.

True, but how many times are we gonna get lucky?

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2016 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   Jon Broxton   (Member)

My review of INDEPENDENCE DAY: RESURGENCE, for anyone who's interested:

https://moviemusicuk.us/2016/06/22/independence-day-resurgence-thomas-wander-and-harald-kloser/

Jon

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2016 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

My review of INDEPENDENCE DAY: RESURGENCE, for anyone who's interested:

https://moviemusicuk.us/2016/06/22/independence-day-resurgence-thomas-wander-and-harald-kloser/

Jon


I'm afraid I have to agree with Mr. Broxton on this one. I listened to the score on Youtube and could barely make it through the score. It's bland through and through. Say what you will about Arnold's ultra patriotic and cheesy original, but that score had heart galore. Wish I could say the same for this one.

Chris

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2016 - 1:35 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Just gave it another listen, and the only thing memorable about the entire score is the end credits.... by David Arnold.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2016 - 5:37 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

From IMDB "David Arnold, composer of the score to the first film, said on his Twitter account he was not asked to score to the sequel and that since the studio owns his themes for the first film, the new composers could use them."

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2016 - 5:52 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I think the film got the score it deserved. Considering Emmerich's films since at least 2004, I think all his films deserve scores like this. I think composers wanting to do big quality scores should go elsewhere.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2016 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   JamesSouthall   (Member)

I reviewed it too:

http://www.movie-wave.net/independence-day-resurgence/

Just for a laugh, I revisited Arnold's score as well:

http://www.movie-wave.net/independence-day/

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2016 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   desplatfan1   (Member)

Having watched the film today, the CD doesn't do justice to the score. Not only there's a lot of music missing, but also more variations of Arnold's original theme. More action cues (with a lot of choir), plus a couple re-arrangements of some cues from the CD (like a much more heroic version of What Goes Up, a more militaristic version of It's Getting Real, plus a couple of cues with a louder choral volume than in the CD). Kloser's new theme is actually like I mentioned, a representative of the heroism of the new generation of heroes where as Arnold's theme is referenced to represent the heroics of the original cast.

The film itself it's a perfect sequel of the original, not only it's bigger, but it actually expands the plot of the original film (explaining why the aliens attacked the Earth in first place and came back) into a sci-fi and war movie. Greg Keyes's prequel actually explains more of the background of the characters plus what happened to the old ones during the 20 years timeline so the film doesn't deal with them a lot before the action starts. Surprisingly. there's not a lot of worldwide destruction (and Emmerich actually spares a certain landmark for change) and the things that people bitched that didn't came back (Will Smith, the original actress for Whitmore's daughter, and David Arnold) never were missed. So go ahead and bitch as usual, I enjoyed the film and the score and like Emmerich, I don't feel guilty about it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2016 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   jlj93byu   (Member)

The film itself it's a perfect sequel of the original, not only it's bigger, but it actually expands the plot of the original film (explaining why the aliens attacked the Earth in first place and came back) into a sci-fi and war movie. Greg Keyes's prequel actually explains more of the background of the characters plus what happened to the old ones during the 20 years timeline so the film doesn't deal with them a lot before the action starts. Surprisingly. there's not a lot of worldwide destruction (and Emmerich actually spares a certain landmark for change) and the things that people bitched that didn't came back (Will Smith, the original actress for Whitmore's daughter, and David Arnold) never were missed. So go ahead and bitch as usual, I enjoyed the film and the score and like Emmerich, I don't feel guilty about it.

While I don't quite agree on the score (it WAS better in the film than the album, but I still wasn't a huge fan), I absolutely agree overall on the movie. It is an excellent sequel and I am completely perplexed by the dearth of good reviews as I watch it drop on rotten tomatoes. Granted, the first film is only 61% there, but still, ID:Resurgence is a solid 3.5/5 star film, definitely not nearly as bad as it would appear by some reviews. It was familiar enough to feel like Independence Day, with good continuity, but original enough to not be a retread of the original, and it certainly expanded the universe in exciting ways.

 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2016 - 7:45 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I read the film was co-financed by the Chinese. Thus the Chinese forces fight along side American forces. Being a film for the world market they completely removed the "American patriotism" from the sequel.

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2016 - 3:03 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Well, whether or not the film was financed to some degree by the Chinese government, it just makes sense one of the world's strongest powers would fight along side any country -- ally or enemy -- to stop a planetary invasion from a hostile alien race.


Except for France, which would surrender immediately and welcome their new evil alien overlords. ;-)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2016 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I saw this film last week, at the cinema, and cannot remember a time when my intelligence was insulted to such a level!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2016 - 9:44 PM   
 By:   skyy38   (Member)

I've often wondered if there was lingering friction over Arnold being passed over for The Patriot way back when.

I'm told that is very long story, but the bottomline is that SONY PICTURES didn't want to pay the creative fee that was being asked for him to do the film.

As one story goes the head of music at the time had lunch with John Williams who was available due to a project being delayed that he was supposed to do and was available and was interested in the project.

The Studio felt that if they had to pay for any one JOHN WILLIAMS was worth paying more for.

Whatever the case,They had a falling out and the director and Mr. Arnold have not worked together since then.

It happens.

Ford A. Thaxton


Tomorrow Never Dies probably had something to do with it too.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2016 - 9:50 PM   
 By:   skyy38   (Member)

David Arnold has said several times over the years that he would score a sequel if asked to, but confirmed on his Twitter account that he was never asked. All he could say was that since Fox owns the themes he wrote, Kloser and Wanker could use them if they wanted to.

I hope they utilize the thematic material. Nothing irritates me more than sequel scores that ignore thematic continuity.


20 years later, we are dealing with a movie far different than ID4 and I really don't think Arnold's score on the sequel would have made much of an impact.

Remember what happened with the soundtrack to Episode 1? Yeah, it was John Williams but that was about it.
A full generation of events changes drastically in the now, and George Lucas honestly thought that FX that had been spawned in the 70's and 80's could compete with the likes of The Matrix.

Gotta keep the fire burning, otherwise you're trying to fry an egg in a cold pan.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2016 - 10:02 PM   
 By:   skyy38   (Member)

David Arnold has said several times over the years that he would score a sequel if asked to, but confirmed on his Twitter account that he was never asked. All he could say was that since Fox owns the themes he wrote, Kloser and Wanker could use them if they wanted to.

I hope they utilize the thematic material. Nothing irritates me more than sequel scores that ignore thematic continuity.


20 years later, we are dealing with a movie far different than ID4 and I really don't think Arnold's score on the sequel would have made much of an impact.

Remember what happened with the soundtrack to Episode 1? Yeah, it was John Williams but that was about it. Former glory's were in the past.
A full generation of events changes drastically in the now, and George Lucas honestly thought that FX that had been spawned in the 70's and 80's could compete with the likes of The Matrix.

Gotta keep the fire burning, otherwise you're trying to fry an egg in a cold pan.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2016 - 10:07 PM   
 By:   skyy38   (Member)

My review of INDEPENDENCE DAY: RESURGENCE, for anyone who's interested:

https://moviemusicuk.us/2016/06/22/independence-day-resurgence-thomas-wander-and-harald-kloser/

Jon


I'm afraid I have to agree with Mr. Broxton on this one. I listened to the score on Youtube and could barely make it through the score. It's bland through and through. Say what you will about Arnold's ultra patriotic and cheesy original, but that score had heart galore. Wish I could say the same for this one.

Chris


The "Boombastic Era."

Big drums, epic soundscapes but no melody to hang your heart on.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 13, 2016 - 10:11 PM   
 By:   skyy38   (Member)

I saw this film last week, at the cinema, and cannot remember a time when my intelligence was insulted to such a level!!

Especially that part that concerns Dr. Okun?

 
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