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 Posted:   Aug 25, 2015 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

in AMOK TIME?

Was Sarek on Babel debating another Tellerite and ready for possible Tal-Shaya?

I mean for Mama and Papa not to be there for Spock's Koon-ut-kal-if-fee seems pretty major.

Perhaps Sarek and Stonn would have had a mutual Deja Vu remembering when they were Romulan Comrades onboard the Bird of Prey in BALANCE OF TERROR and the J.J. Bullshit Alternate Timeline Vortex might have been punctured beyond repair?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2015 - 6:41 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

maybe they were too embarrassed because pon farr is such an emotionally volatile phase. I got the impression Spock might have lost it and mated with T'Pring then and there, regardless of who was watching.
Back on the ship, McCoy was disappointed that some kind of mating didnt happen, so he would have loved seeing it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2015 - 6:44 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

Well, Amok Time was the first aired episode of the second season and Journey to Babel didn't come along until later in the season. The characters hadn't been invented yet. They were there for his reincarnation/re-education in Star Trek IV, though.

 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2015 - 6:58 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

None of this stuff ever happened anyway. Vulcan blew up a long time ago. J.J. says so.

Screw "Live long and prosper."

It's "May the Force be with you" now.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2015 - 7:09 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

geez, way to make a thread grind to a halt, Sigerson. I may never recover. There...is...no...pain.

 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2015 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Oh, my bad.

What I meant to say was, "Vulcans have this long-forgotten 'inner eyelid' that prevents Romulan loonies from blowing up their home world. No worries, mates."

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2015 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Oh, my bad.

What I meant to say was, "Vulcans have this long-forgotten 'inner eyelid' that prevents Romulan loonies from blowing up their home world. No worries, mates."


phew! That was a close one, Robin! I mean, Good work, Bones!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2015 - 8:45 PM   
 By:   Lee S   (Member)

I suspect they weren't there because he didn't tell them about it or want them there. In Journey to Babel, Amanda complains that he hasn't visited them in four years; even if they heard about it through the family grapevine, that's different from an invitation.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2015 - 9:01 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

There actually wasn't any wedding guests there at all. T'Pau officiated and there were the celebrants who had the weapons and rang the chimes and banged the gongs. Stonn was there with T'pring but her parents weren't there either. Perhaps it is the Vulcan way. Not even an Andorian throwing rice or attaching beer cans to the couple's dune buggy.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2015 - 10:20 PM   
 By:   Lee S   (Member)

Also, perhaps Sarek and Amanda had some inkling that they had betrothed their only child to an adorable 7-year-old girl who turned into a sociopath and they decided they didn't need to see all that happen.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2015 - 1:45 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

"Why weren't Amanda & Sarek at Spock's Wedding?"


Good old-fashioned Vulcan rudeness?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2015 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Also, perhaps Sarek and Amanda had some inkling that they had betrothed their only child to an adorable 7-year-old girl who turned into a sociopath and they decided they didn't need to see all that happen.

Well, Vulcans strive to attain some sociopathic traits, but her actions werent motivated from cruelty. She wanted Stan - Stun, whatever. The Challenge duel was the only way out of the arranged marriage, and choosing Kirk saved Stan from harm. True, involving Kirk was a tad heartless, but he was merely collateral damage, as real life sociopaths would say.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2015 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Lee S   (Member)

Also, perhaps Sarek and Amanda had some inkling that they had betrothed their only child to an adorable 7-year-old girl who turned into a sociopath and they decided they didn't need to see all that happen.

Well, Vulcans strive to attain some sociopathic traits, but her actions werent motivated from cruelty. She wanted Stan - Stun, whatever. The Challenge duel was the only way out of the arranged marriage, and choosing Kirk saved Stan from harm. True, involving Kirk was a tad heartless, but he was merely collateral damage, as real life sociopaths would say.


They weren't motivated by cruelty, but her actions surely show a depraved indifference to life. She acknowledges that she is willing to cheat on Spock if they were to marry ("...it would be the same. You would be gone; I would have your name and your property, and Stonn would still be there."), but she still takes action that ensures the death of either Kirk or Spock. It's also clear that Spock has the power to call off the relationship at a certain point ("You would free me..."), but rather than telling him that she wants to be with Stonn and doesn't want Spock's money, she devises this Byzantine scheme with a body count.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2015 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

It's also clear that Spock has the power to call off the relationship at a certain point ("You would free me..."), but rather than telling him that she wants to be with Stonn and doesn't want Spock's money, she devises this Byzantine scheme with a body count.

ah, great point, but considering how extremely archaic the marital system seems to be, perhaps she couldnt even ask Spock to cancel their engagement. Sort of like almost every "Hitchcock Presents" episode - why doesnt the spouse-killer ask for a divorce instead? Society at the time seems to have discouraged it.
So I think she was forced by social constraints into her actions. On the surface, she does come across like a femme fatale in a Noir.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2015 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   Lee S   (Member)

Yes, that's fair. We may not know enough about the culture to understand all of T'Pring's pressures. Although it's pretty clear what Spock thinks of her when he delivers his final, oft-quoted burn as he frees her.

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2015 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

Old Spock just needed to use the Guardian Of Forever to go back and prevent Nero from ever being born. Vulcan restored.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2015 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I know it's not Canon, but just out of curiosity, how did they explain T'Pring's absence in the fan-ish movie "Of Gods and Men"? Did she and Stonn not marry, or had she died and left him a widower?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2015 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

I know it's not Canon, but just out of curiosity, how did they explain T'Pring's absence in the fan-ish movie "Of Gods and Men"? Did she and Stonn not marry, or had she died and left him a widower?

Stonn must have seen Uhura dancing on the Planet of Galactic Peace. Bootleg videos of her moonlight dance were widespread back in the day. Stonn finally met her and they got together. So much for Scotty and Uhura's Potato Chip bag romance.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2015 - 9:19 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

STONN!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2015 - 9:31 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

STONN!

"Glorious! Glorious!"

Cant tell the Vulcans from the Romulans without a score card, kids.

 
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