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 Posted:   Aug 26, 2015 - 10:36 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

Considering that T'Pau was there, on ancestral property, it would have made even more sense for Sarek & Amanda to be there.
Maybe they were off-world when Spock's biology kicked in, and Sarek called in a favor to have T'Pau there to officiate before Spock and T'Pring got jiggy (not realizing what T'Pring had in mind).

The simple fact is that the characters had not been invented yet, AND each ep is meant to stand on it's own in or out of production chronology.

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2015 - 11:40 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Maybe they were off-world when Spock's biology kicked in, and Sarek called in a favor to have T'Pau there to officiate before Spock and T'Pring got jiggy (not realizing what T'Pring had in mind).



I think remembering that biological aspect is important to understanding the whole thing. In the episode, Spock explains the ritual by comparing it to salmon swimming upstream to spawn. If we're being honest about it, "wedding" is a major euphemism in this case, and the whole practice must be extremely embarrassing (I mean it would be, if Vulcans had emotions).

It feels like there ought to be some kind of ceremony, because that's how it's done in some earth cultures. But really it's simply a biological function to Vulcans. Remember in Star Trek III, when Spock 2.0 was aging rapidly and experiencing pon farr over and over again? Nobody ordered a fancy catering spread or danced a hora. It was just dumb luck there happened to be an able-bodied half-Vulcan chick on hand.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2015 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

The simple fact is that the characters had not been invented yet, AND each ep is meant to stand on it's own in or out of production chronology.

You're correct that in reality, the characters werent introduced yet. But it's a continuing character series, not an anthology, so the episodes are connected. And after Kirk explains that T'Pau is a legendary figure, he exclaims that Spock "never mentioned that his family was this important." This might have been a teaser for the future appearance of Sarek and Amanda.
Wasnt there a writer's bible for the series? If so, the family angle on the main characters might have been included. For example, Kirk's brother George is mentioned in two episodes.

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2015 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Wasnt there a writer's bible for the series? If so, the family angle on the main characters might have been included. For example, Kirk's brother George is mentioned in two episodes.

The characters of Spock's parents were invented already, but possibly not named. It was established very early on that Spock's father was a Vulcan Ambassador and his mother a human teacher (The Corbomite Maneuver and This Side of Paradise). They just saved the introductions of the parents for a dedicated story of their own.

Or, in universe, the reason why they weren't at Spock's wedding was, they hated the bitch...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2015 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

The characters of Spock's parents were invented already.
Scott M saves the day!

"'Hot as Vulcan.' Now I understand what that phrase means."

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2015 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

The characters of Spock's parents were invented already.
Scott M saves the day!

"'Hot as Vulcan.' Now I understand what that phrase means."



You gotta love the Star Trek people always stretching that dollar in consideration of the budget for costumes and stuff. That Black Felt used for the face masks of the Vulcan Celebrants (as seen standing behind T'Pring in this photo) must have cost them a wopping 29 cents a sheet at the local Woolworth Store back in the day.


Always loved it when McCoy would say to Spock, "Are you out of your Vulcan Mind?" because it always sounded like he was really saying "Are you out of your fuckin Mind?" or meaning it like that. Well, at least I heard it that way.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2015 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Always loved it when McCoy would say to Spock, "Are you out of your Vulcan Mind?" because it always sounded like he was really saying "Are you out of your fuckin Mind?" or meaning it like that. Well, at least I heard it that way.

damn, I think you're right. Never picked up on that.

 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2015 - 11:55 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Always loved it when McCoy would say to Spock, "Are you out of your Vulcan Mind?" because it always sounded like he was really saying "Are you out of your fuckin Mind?" or meaning it like that. Well, at least I heard it that way.

damn, I think you're right. Never picked up on that.



It was a deliberate pun, and they loved it. I noticed that the 2009 movie repeated it as it well, very pointedly.

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2015 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

You gotta love the Star Trek people always stretching that dollar in consideration of the budget for costumes and stuff. That Black Felt used for the face masks of the Vulcan Celebrants (as seen standing behind T'Pring in this photo) must have cost them a wopping 29 cents a sheet at the local Woolworth Store back in the day.

Considering that nearly every episode went well over budget until the third season crunch really took hold, do ya blame them? Star Trek was not a cheap TV series to make and they had to slash costs whenever they could.

Yer lucky they even had that many extras. Irwin Allen would have had two guys and a lot of stock footage shots from movies. And voice overs.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2015 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   Lee S   (Member)


Always loved it when McCoy would say to Spock, "Are you out of your Vulcan Mind?" because it always sounded like he was really saying "Are you out of your fuckin Mind?" or meaning it like that. Well, at least I heard it that way.


I believe he only says it twice in the series and once in Star Trek II, but the subtext certainly seems to be there to me also, particularly in Elaan of Troyius.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2015 - 11:02 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

Spock had a biological imperative to mate. He also had a betrothed he was linked to psychicly.

Spock likely knew that a child was bound to come out of this incident, thus he set out to kill two birds with one stone- complete the marriage contract so he could have sex in a more seemly fashion. A random hook-up and a bastard child would be a more embarrassing situation for two apparently well-placed families.

Otherwise I don't see that Pon-Farr and a marriage ceremony necessarily go hand-in-hand. Spock could have been putting off the marriage ceremony for some time, but now he had little choice if he and his family were to save face.

Presumably Vulcan couples marry on their own schedule, and have sex when they need or desire it. Hence unscheduled sexytimes between Spock & Saavik in ST-III.
Considering the speculation that Saavik may have ended up pregnant by adolescent Spock on Genesis, Pon-Farr may be a specific biologic urge that leads directly to babies. Vulcan ovulation, if you like.
Considering Vulcan longevity and the harsh desert climate, 7 yr stretches between energy sapping fertility seem plausible. This scenario presumes that Vulcan females are always fertile and the males are only fertile every 7 yrs (After all, T'Pring wasn't in a mating frenzy). Hence, Spock's spawning reference.

Complicating all of this was T'Pring's plan to end the betrothal (and their psychic link).
So instead of a marriage ceremony and resolution of Spock's Ponn-Farr with an appropriate and suitable mate, Spock escalates to Plak-Tow and the parties have to move to the fight-for-T'pring's-hand ceremony.

I still maintain that Sarek & Amanda could not get home, but were aware of Spock's urgency. They managed to get T'Pau to officiate in their stead. Dignity is retained, but T'Pau has the clout to hush up why this had to happen RIGHT NOW.
Sarek & Amanda may not have liked T'Pring, but it doesn't matter. This marriage was probably more about politics and status. Everyone would have showed just to maintain appearances.

My question is- where were T'Pring's parents? Did they know what she had planned and not show up because THEY were embarrassed (and relieved Sarek & Amanda were not available)?

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)



My question is- where were T'Pring's parents? Did they know what she had planned and not show up because THEY were embarrassed (and relieved Sarek & Amanda were not available)?


It's easiest to assume they're dead. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)



My question is- where were T'Pring's parents? Did they know what she had planned and not show up because THEY were embarrassed (and relieved Sarek & Amanda were not available)?


It's easiest to assume they're dead. smile


or "visiting the off-world colonies."

 
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