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"The Church Of The Poison Spider"
"Lucifer and Mephistopheles are their idols of worship when they bend their knees…"
Although I was only able to understand about half of the lyrics, is seems pretty clear to me that the song is all about worshiping Satan.
There's no mystery in that.
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"Hey, boy! Better run for cover, double darkness is spreading like a cancer cell!
Turn away, boy! You're heading down the highway of hell!"
Storyteller…HELLO! Is anybody HOME in there?
HOW is it that you cannot SEE and HEAR what this song is all about?
It is very clear to me...
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My sincere apologies, Storyteller.
You & I are friends, and I was trying to be funny, not condescending.
My bad.
Sorry…yeah I sounded like I was being a jerk, but it was unintentional.
As I said earlier, I listened to the song, and can't make out about half of the lyrics, which you just provided. You're correct. It doesn't make sense.
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Jings, fellas .... why always so LITERAL?
The song's not my cup of tea really, but the lyrics are rather good!
No doubt, as said above, they're catchy cliches for the sake of good phrases, but they do work. What would you fellas make of Seamus Heaney or even Yeats ... ?
It's about the worship of modern materialism that runs over everything and is insidious and ubiquitous and inexorable.
The 'cult of the Iron Horse is to sacrifice the lamb'. Does no-one link that up with the Native Americans? There's 'no requiem masses to be sung', no monuments to the dead, no rites of funeral. Indian sacred lands pushed away for the railways? You don't get that?
And the attack of materialism that exploits religion too.
Now, what that has to do with the FILM, I don't really know. Probably nothing. Except that there's a cheeky pun on 'Kiss of the Spider Woman' related to the film's storyline.
Don't look at everything so LITERALLY. 'Betya' a dollar somebody'll say I'm doing creative accounting.
P.S. It's attacking social Darwinism too and 'survival of the fittest' that runs roughshod over everything, and there's a petrol-driven recurrent theme about ecology.
Up the game, boys, lyrics can be serious!
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Well, yes there is a mystery... who are "they" that bend their knees? One of the lyrics also says "the creed of the Iron Horse is to sacrifice the lamb". Well, an iron horse is an old world term for a train, and who does the "lamb" represent in this song? A general lamb, the Lamb of God? And why is it the creed of a train to do so? It could be a metaphorical train as in they have a one track mind, but again the point, as well as the point of view of the song is very unclear. And what exactly is a "shrine of a turbo rider"?
There is a lot of mystery here.
There's no mystery here.
I don't want to labour this, but it's an IMPORTANT point about how art is understood. People buy records for the sensuous experience of the music and half the time they ignore the lyrics! And when they do exercise the out-of-practice interpretative muscle, they go all Aspergers and literal. Think SYMBOLICALLY. It's not about a literal church and it's NOT about Satan-worship, just uses the IMAGERY of Hell's Angel cult to spell out a deeper warning about modern materialism, the TRUER 'Satan worship'.
'Creed of the iron horse', - the expansionism of materialism that sacrifices traditional cultures and NATURE and rode roughshod over the Indians... see Blake about the lamb.
'lamb' is nature, and innocence, and yes, Christ if you want, but the phrase 'sacrifice the lamb' is the METAPHOR, not the goal of the sentence.
A turbo-rider is a high power motorcyclist. Harley petrol-heads. Again, it's a METAPHOR for fossil-fuel worship that sacrifices the environment to pleasure and gain. We're riding the fossil fuel turbo to damnation. The 'highway to hell' is another song, yes, in turn derived from Chris Rea's 'Road to Hell'.
Modern 'survival of the fittest' is clear anti-Social Darwinist referencing.
The reference to no rites to be said for the dead, no monuments erected, no requiem masses, is about the materialistic drive for modernity with no respect for the past, or the 'ancestors', and the death of religion.
The stuff about brimstone and sulphur and the dark cloud, is religious IMAGERY but to do with environmentalist payback.
What's interesting is that there's nothing obscure here, but the 90% of FSM people who wouldn't go for this kind of song would fully understand it immediately, whilst the guys who like this sort of thing don't get it!!!!! To be a good rock lyricist, like Sting, or Ferry, or these fellas who penned this one, you need to know about more than rock.
Poor Bob Dylan must be crying in despair. I'm not being cheeky here just saying that maybe the warning of the song goes on deaf ears ...... this is actually quite a serious indicator.
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Sting, Ferry, Dylan - you mentioned them, Bill. I could add a dozen other names of people whose work is absolutely huge here in Spain, and yet nobody understands a word they're singing. So just exactly how much are people missing if they don't understand the words? If we're talking really great lyricists I suppose it's a bit (just a wee bit) like opening a poetry book in a language you don't understand and nodding in awe at the brilliance of it all. So are the audiences just pretending?
I think people don't even think it's part of the deal to listen to the pesky lyrics, but that's an insult to the writers really.
In this case, the song cleverly uses Hell's Angels lingo and religious stuff to paint the picture, but it also uses modern rock/metal technique. Now that technique (and I'm not knocking it) did largely come out of modern materialistic music industry, so it's part of the thing it's criticising. That's the rub: you use something ironically, and it has the opposite effect. They hear the music but not the words. And the song therefore fails.
But y'know, the Spaniards have an excuse; it's not their first language!
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Posted: |
Jul 1, 2015 - 11:45 AM
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BobJ
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My sincere apologies, Storyteller.
You & I are friends, and I was trying to be funny, not condescending.
My bad.
Sorry…yeah I sounded like I was being a jerk, but it was unintentional.
As I said earlier, I listened to the song, and can't make out about half of the lyrics, which you just provided. You're correct. It doesn't make sense.
Chris, I feel I am the one who owes you an apology. I just woke up after having not slept for 2 days due to pain. I went to the docs just yesterday to get something for this pain, but still didn't fall asleep until late last night. That post was written maybe a half an hour before I finally passed out.
Looking at your posts now I can see the humor in them. I'm afraid that pesky tone problem that sometimes does not come across on the net was partially to blame, but most of the fault lay with me.
I am sorry for calling you a "jerk". I have got to be more careful when posting when not clear headed.
My sincerest apologies.
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Jul 1, 2015 - 11:52 AM
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BobJ
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Jings, fellas .... why always so LITERAL?
The song's not my cup of tea really, but the lyrics are rather good!
No doubt, as said above, they're catchy cliches for the sake of good phrases, but they do work. What would you fellas make of Seamus Heaney or even Yeats ... ?
It's about the worship of modern materialism that runs over everything and is insidious and ubiquitous and inexorable.
The 'cult of the Iron Horse is to sacrifice the lamb'. Does no-one link that up with the Native Americans? There's 'no requiem masses to be sung', no monuments to the dead, no rites of funeral. Indian sacred lands pushed away for the railways? You don't get that?
And the attack of materialism that exploits religion too.
Now, what that has to do with the FILM, I don't really know. Probably nothing. Except that there's a cheeky pun on 'Kiss of the Spider Woman' related to the film's storyline.
Don't look at everything so LITERALLY. 'Betya' a dollar somebody'll say I'm doing creative accounting.
P.S. It's attacking social Darwinism too and 'survival of the fittest' that runs roughshod over everything, and there's a petrol-driven recurrent theme about ecology.
Up the game, boys, lyrics can be serious!
I've read all your posts on this and have to say this is a good interpretation. I'm not sure I agree 100% with everything, but I think your evaluation that it concerns materialism might be dead on. Also, the film is about becoming famous, so that would tie in at least somewhat with the movie. I say "somewhat" as the two main characters actually want the fame.
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Story ... what's this thing about the pain?
You don't have to be public if you don't want to, or maybe you discussed this before somewhere? It sounds as though you're having a rough time.
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"... I now feel awful for having jumped all over Christopher."
Oh gosh, no!
Storyteller, you and I are old friends. PLEASE don't waste even a moment feeling bad for what happened here! It was nothing at all!
You only had one nerve left, and…I GOT ON IT! 
What I'm so, so sorry to hear about is the chronic pain you're dealing with. Please know that you will be in my prayers concerning this.
Relax, brother…I love you too much to be upset with you.
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