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 Posted:   Jun 6, 2014 - 6:59 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I thought the tapes were lost on this one. Where did the iso score come from?

it's not confirmed yet. It's a guess of mine, since all of TT's releases, except one I think, have iso scores.
By the way, it doesn't mean that it will be the complete score.
Eg. some Blurays had a score + effects track, and in others, the iso score didn't include the complete score but only those cues that were available.

By the way, there is this comment by someone in their facebook:
UNDER FIRE- Awesome time to unearth the original score on the isolated track (ofcourse that 2cd set)
and Nick Redman (of TT) responds:
Indeed, Amer...

I don't know what does that mean. It definitely means that the isolated score WILL be included, but I'm not sure if it will be complete.
And I didn't understand the part about the 2cd set..



That would be me. Its not usual for Nick Redman to come out in the open and confirm it. But it now seems highly likely that we may finally see the original tracks of Under Fire in both isolated and cd format by the end of the year. Most likely La La Land or Intrada would end up issuing it. Good news altogether.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2014 - 8:34 PM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)

But it now seems highly likely that we may finally see the original tracks of Under Fire in both isolated and cd format by the end of the year. Most likely La La Land or Intrada would end up issuing it. Good news altogether.

That would be a dream come true at long last...I hope, I hope, I hope!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2014 - 2:54 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

So in that case presumably there are *unheard* film recordings!




Exactly. But since they didn`t end up un the film, who knows if they still exist and if they are included in the now speculated discovered tapes.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2014 - 6:28 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

If this movie didn't have the Goldsmith score it does, I'd barely remember it

Surprised to hear that. The movie stood out as a rare (for Hollywood) serious take on matters of contemporary politics and media. A couple of the unexpected killings arrived with terrible force. They still linger in memory.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2014 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

The movie stood out as a rare (for Hollywood) serious take on matters of contemporary politics and media. A couple of the unexpected killings arrived with terrible force. They still linger in memory.

Agree 100%. An important film about the manipulation of modern media and the political situation in central america. IMO the best movie Goldsmith has scored.

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2014 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

If this movie didn't have the Goldsmith score it does, I'd barely remember it

Surprised to hear that. The movie stood out as a rare (for Hollywood) serious take on matters of contemporary politics and media. A couple of the unexpected killings arrived with terrible force. They still linger in memory.


And yet I get the sense that it's not much talked about. It's part of that '80s Reagan era, fighting communism in Central America mess, that isn't relevant in our current "war on terror" era. Also, the careers of the actors involved and the director and writer are either in twilight or long dead. I like the movie, but I'm not crazy about it. It was good back in its day, but I don't recall much impact. Goldsmith's score is the single element that really transcends the datedness of the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2014 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

It's part of that '80s Reagan era, fighting communism in Central America mess, that isn't relevant in our current "war on terror" era.

I couldn`t disagree more. Without getting too political here, I would say that considering how actively the US is involved in regime change operations in countries like Venezuela and Ukraine, IMO Under Fire`s story is quite relevant today.

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2014 - 5:08 PM   
 By:   Mr Drive   (Member)

Concerning the politics I would say the same - it is still very much relevant today.

And also, what about the breathtaking cinematography by Kubrick regular John Alcott? That should be another thing worth remembering! It's a poem of natural light.

A great film overall. And one of the best Goldsmith ever worked on.

Btw Spottiswoode, uneven as a director, was a successful editor before. He worked with Peckinpah on Straw Dogs, Getaway and Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2014 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   alexlim   (Member)

To me, that would be a dream come true!

Although this is one of my favorite soundtracks, I rarely listen to it, because I am not satisfied with the version contained on the CD. Although the cd presents some cues that are heard in the film (House of Hammocks and Rafael), always miss the beautiful cues that were left off the CD, such as:

The opening sequence of the film.
The sequence in which the rebels play a bus against a tank.
The sequence in which the photographer Russel and the journalist Claire crossing a river towards the camp of the rebels.
The action sequence in which, after witnessing the death of journalist Alex, the photographer runs away and hides in a slum.

Among others.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

I was wondering if anyone has this Blu Ray yet - I just received mine, but was curious how the ISOLATED SCORE TRACK is on the disc as I have yet to play it.

Any comments?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)

Sadly, the tracks TT thought they had in their possession, were a M&E track. So, though it's sans-dialogue, the one we're all anxious about...the original BAJO FUEGO track, is still fighting for prominence behind, gunfire, tanks, footsteps and yelling. Very sad...the commentary track does pass on its regrets about this, though Bruce Botnick does add a clue to the multi-tracks potential whereabouts. Unfortunately, asking about the whereabouts of elements to these old films doesn't seem to be enough anymore. Other types of pressure and/or discovery seem to be the thing that gets them recovered.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 3:53 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Major bummer man.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 4:47 PM   
 By:   Bill in Portland Maine   (Member)


I really wish the 1983 Oscar for best original score had been a tie between Bill Conti's Right Stuff and Jerry Goldsmith's Under Fire. Probably as much as I wish that in 1982 Goldsmith's Poltergeist had been a co-winner with E.T.

Under Fire is a flawless score, both as heard in the movie and as a stand-alone work.

Watch Goldsmith composing it and playing the "Nicaragua" cut here on piano. So awesome to have this preserved:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnp0cClT-Bo

One of the very few movie scores I could listen to over and over, even 31 years later.

-

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 5:01 PM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

Sadly, the tracks TT thought they had in their possession, were a M&E track. So, though it's sans-dialogue, the one we're all anxious about...the original BAJO FUEGO track, is still fighting for prominence behind, gunfire, tanks, footsteps and yelling. Very sad...the commentary track does pass on its regrets about this, though Bruce Botnick does add a clue to the multi-tracks potential whereabouts. Unfortunately, asking about the whereabouts of elements to these old films doesn't seem to be enough anymore. Other types of pressure and/or discovery seem to be the thing that gets them recovered.

Thanks for this info - I just hope that when I do get around
to watching this, the sound and picture quality is up to par.

Anyway, the FSM CD is a real gem - like I mentioned before,
it is a PERFECT listen in every way and my absolute favorite
Goldsmith score and CD...:-)

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 6:11 PM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)

Sadly, the tracks TT thought they had in their possession, were a M&E track. So, though it's sans-dialogue, the one we're all anxious about...the original BAJO FUEGO track, is still fighting for prominence behind, gunfire, tanks, footsteps and yelling. Very sad...the commentary track does pass on its regrets about this, though Bruce Botnick does add a clue to the multi-tracks potential whereabouts. Unfortunately, asking about the whereabouts of elements to these old films doesn't seem to be enough anymore. Other types of pressure and/or discovery seem to be the thing that gets them recovered.

Thanks for this info - I just hope that when I do get around
to watching this, the sound and picture quality is up to par.

Anyway, the FSM CD is a real gem - like I mentioned before,
it is a PERFECT listen in every way and my absolute favorite
Goldsmith score and CD...:-)


I've never seen John Alcott's cinematography for this movie look so true to the original projected version.

Although the audio is 2.0 DTS, this picture had a rather loudly advertised 4-track Dolby matrix (I saw it this way and it sounded great), so I'm going to try running the 2.0 through a matrix decoder for the surround info. Haven't done it yet...watched the score iso and the score commentary (would have liked to hear more from Ken Hall and Bruce Botnick, however, Julie Kirgo's comments about the subject's history are very poignant and true. Sometimes these group-commentary tracks are too crowded and veer off-topic.)

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2014 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

Sadly, the tracks TT thought they had in their possession, were a M&E track. So, though it's sans-dialogue, the one we're all anxious about...the original BAJO FUEGO track, is still fighting for prominence behind, gunfire, tanks, footsteps and yelling. Very sad...the commentary track does pass on its regrets about this, though Bruce Botnick does add a clue to the multi-tracks potential whereabouts. Unfortunately, asking about the whereabouts of elements to these old films doesn't seem to be enough anymore. Other types of pressure and/or discovery seem to be the thing that gets them recovered.


So it will stay one of my last holy grails frown Just to think that the tapes are dusting in some cellar in London or even worse that somebody threw them away years ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2014 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

Wouldn`t a rerecording of the original film tracks maybe even with Pat Metheney on the guitar be a wonderful idea?

Although I doubt that this will ever happen.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2014 - 8:27 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

Wouldn`t a rerecording of the original film tracks maybe even with Pat Metheney on the guitar be a wonderful idea?

Although I doubt that this will ever happen.


I think I've asked this on the board before, but has anyone come across an interview with Metheny on his involvement with this score and working with Goldsmith?

 
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