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 Posted:   Jan 8, 2014 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

Can't say I've noticed anything like that.

As far as I can tell, it sounds pristine.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2014 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Thanks. My mystery continues.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2014 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

I have em all and I would just sum it up this way... the LLL renders both previous editions obsolete, and by that I mean there's almost no reason to ever listen to others again, except maybe for nostalgia.

I disagree! The producers of the La La Land album remastered everything beautifully EXCEPT for the original soundtrack album tracks. (Anyone know why that is?) The Columbia album, on the other hand, was remastered in 24 bit high definition sound. Therefore, tracks such as "Ilia's Theme," "The Meld," Spock Walk," and the "Main Title" sound much cleaner than on the La La Land 2nd CD.

I think that the version of "Illia's Theme" on the Columbia album is worth the price alone.


I believe the reason for the OST tracks not being remastered is that they are literally the original album tracks from the digital album master, and we are given this unaltered from the source.

It would have been great to have Ilia's Theme album take from the 16-track on this set, but TBH, I don't miss it at all. We have the album version direct from the digital album master.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2014 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

dp

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2014 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

That Ilia them almost made me fall in love with her. That is such a gorgeous theme. I still love my Colombia disc because it was one of my first soundtracks.

Ron.

I have never heard that click sound either.
You might have yourself a Hardcastleanomaly.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2014 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   GOLDSMITHDAKING   (Member)

The La La release of ST:TMP is the definitive version of this classic soundtrack.Any other release is obsolete now.

 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2014 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

There is something on the 1999 soundtrack that isn't on the LaLa land set and it doesn't involve the quality of the sound. Let me check and make sure. Be right back.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2014 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

The La La release of ST:TMP is the definitive version of this classic soundtrack.Any other release is obsolete now.

Definitive... except for the wind machine during the "Voyager 6" reveal. Removed purposefully by Bruce Botnick. The only disappointing aspect of the LLL release!

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2014 - 2:25 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

Ah, yep! On the "Inner Workings" track, it starts a bit late (blaster beam sounds like it started in the middle) and it's a whole minute shorter, cutting off at the 3 minute mark as Kirk looks at the V'Ger nameplate.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2014 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

I love having the 1999 Sony release, but the LLL is one of the most essential releases in my entire library. Believe me, I am only too familiar with the agony of having to make purchase decisions based on whether one thing might save me even a paltry $10 or $20 over something I want more, so I absolutely can't fault you for it if it's really your situation.

That said, for me personally the LLL is one of the absolute greatest CD releases of anything I've ever come across, and I am so so so so glad to have it. Though I could certainly use every dollar I spent on it for other things, I don't regret the purchase one bit, and wouldn't even if it had been two or three times as much. It's easily worth every penny and then some.

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And all that said, who else remembers the agonizingly long wait for the 1999 Sony release, back in the day? It wasn't even going to be a 1999 release, originally, but after the announcement it kept getting pushed back, then back again, then back some more, until the delay finally wound up being something like three or four years after the originally-announced date. It did at least allow them to label it a 20th anniversary release, which is kind of neat, but man, I remember feeling like Sony (and/or Paramount) was just deliberately toying with us to make us suffer...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2014 - 6:26 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Ah, yep! On the "Inner Workings" track, it starts a bit late (blaster beam sounds like it started in the middle) and it's a whole minute shorter, cutting off at the 3 minute mark as Kirk looks at the V'Ger nameplate.

Goldsmith really, really didn't like that V'Ger reveal. He cut it completely from the 99 release and then Botnick went and fiddled with it for the LLL release - because it's "what Goldsmith would have wanted". I wonder what he had against that wind machine... (that works brilliantly btw!)

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2014 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Ah, yep! On the "Inner Workings" track, it starts a bit late (blaster beam sounds like it started in the middle) and it's a whole minute shorter, cutting off at the 3 minute mark as Kirk looks at the V'Ger nameplate.

Goldsmith really, really didn't like that V'Ger reveal. He cut it completely from the 99 release and then Botnick went and fiddled with it for the LLL release - because it's "what Goldsmith would have wanted". I wonder what he had against that wind machine... (that works brilliantly btw!)


The argument for the fiddling made not sense since it was reported Jerry didn't like complete releases of his scores to begin with. So the whole release is going against his wishes. I really wanted that cue as heard in the film. Oh well...

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2014 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

Ah, yep! On the "Inner Workings" track, it starts a bit late (blaster beam sounds like it started in the middle) and it's a whole minute shorter, cutting off at the 3 minute mark as Kirk looks at the V'Ger nameplate.

I remember being slightly disappointed when the 20th Aniiversary edition didn't have the "V-O-Y-A-G-E-R! VOYAGER !!!" moment, but being pleased as punch at getting more of the score.

"The Forcefield" was one of the grail cues for that score for me, and I must have played that cue a million times, just hitting the "Back" button so many times.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2014 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

And all that said, who else remembers the agonizingly long wait for the 1999 Sony release, back in the day? It wasn't even going to be a 1999 release, originally, but after the announcement it kept getting pushed back, then back again, then back some more, until the delay finally wound up being something like three or four years after the originally-announced date. It did at least allow them to label it a 20th anniversary release, which is kind of neat, but man, I remember feeling like Sony (and/or Paramount) was just deliberately toying with us to make us suffer...

I remember it vividly. Ouch. It was frustrating. But it did give them time to find Floating Office which wasn’t going to be on the CD.
So if I mix Inner Workings from 1999 into LLL do I get the film track?

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2014 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

And all that said, who else remembers the agonizingly long wait for the 1999 Sony release, back in the day? It wasn't even going to be a 1999 release, originally, but after the announcement it kept getting pushed back, then back again, then back some more, until the delay finally wound up being something like three or four years after the originally-announced date. It did at least allow them to label it a 20th anniversary release, which is kind of neat, but man, I remember feeling like Sony (and/or Paramount) was just deliberately toying with us to make us suffer...

I remember it vividly. Ouch. It was frustrating. But it did give them time to find Floating Office which wasn’t going to be on the CD.
So if I mix Inner Workings from 1999 into LLL do I get the film track?


No. The 1999 expanded release contains an edited down version of an alternate take (the full alternate take is on LLLR CD3 track 12, I think), and the 1999 CD fades out before it gets to the blaster beam and wind machine section of the cue.

The LLLR score presents every film take of every cue in the main body of the score. The wind machine was simply mixed extremely low, but I think it's still there.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2014 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

No. The 1999 expanded release contains an edited down version of an alternate take (the full alternate take is on LLLR CD3 track 12, I think), and the 1999 CD fades out before it gets to the blaster beam and wind machine section of the cue.

The LLLR score presents every film take of every cue in the main body of the score. The wind machine was simply mixed extremely low, but I think it's still there.


Ah good, because that was my memory of it. I also just listened to the main track and heard the wind machine. I was thinking "Do I not know what a wind machine is?" smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2014 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

With regards to the approach to the remix being how Goldsmith would have wanted them, I can hear this in the reverb that was added to the mix, making it "wetter" (I think that's the term), something Goldsmith had a preference for.

So the wind machine being mixed lower plays into the aesthetic, and though effective in the film, would not be as pleasing on CD.

I think the idea behind the remix from the 16-track backup master was to make it sound more pleasing on CD than simply presenting the stereo film stems.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2014 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

So the wind machine being mixed lower plays into the aesthetic, and though effective in the film, would not be as pleasing on CD.

It was very pleasing in The Blue Max and Night Crossing.

 
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