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 Posted:   Mar 7, 2013 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

I have some money coming my way soon and will be catching up with some soundtracks, and I was thinking it's time I get Star Trek: The Motion Picture. It's part of the "Original Six" film scores that got me into film music in the first place as a kid, and I've actually never had it on CD, just my dad's vinyl LP (which I still have).

I know LLL released a 3-disc set last year and I'm sure it's splendid, but I really don't want to drop $35+ on one album, and I don't need all the rejected/alternate cues and such. The film is not one burned into my memory (I think I've only ever seen it once), so I don't feel like I need every last note. I just want a good representation of the score, so that's why I was eyeing the 1999 Columbia Records release over the CD version of the LP, since I believe that featured different performances of cues from the film versions. It also adds a good deal more material and looks to have the bulk of the score. (By my estimate, the LLL release only adds about an extra 17-18 minutes, whereas the Columbia CD is already about 65 minutes.)

I remember a lot of fans complaining about this release when it came out, but I was just curious what people think about it and if it would be worth purchasing based on what I'm looking for. Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2013 - 3:27 PM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

The LLL is splendid, but the Columbia definitely comes recommended. 65 minutes of score, very well-structured album that covers the highlights. My only nagging complaint about it is that 'A Good Start' doesn't sound as well as it could (and does on the 3-CD issue).

But yeah, if it's cheap, go for it.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2013 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The Sony 1999 release is all I ever need of this score. The perfect soundtrack and for me ultimate representation of this one. Its predecessor was good too, but the slight expansion does it justice in this case, without going overboard.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2013 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)

This is a decent album, but the LLL album's sound quality is heads and shoulders above the Columbia release. Buy the Columbia only if you really can't afford the LLL release.

Chris.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2013 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

I have some money coming my way soon and will be catching up with some soundtracks, and I was thinking it's time I get Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Star Trek: The Motion Picture - 20th Anniversary Collector's Edition released through Columbia Records is a fine representation of the score. New copies can still be purchased for around $17. It is a 2 disc release but the second disc actually has nothing to do with film or music--it is a CD release of the Inside Star Trek record from yesteryear. Listened to that extra disc exactly once.

All that said I honestly would recommend the new 3 CD set. You will pay about double no doubt but you get the excellent concert edit of the theme plus an album take of the theme separate from the Klingon music and some of the Sandy Courage TV theme tracks not on the 20th Anniversary Collector's Edition. I would definitely pass over any release earlier than the 20th Anniversary Collector's Edition.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2013 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   Mick Moreau   (Member)

If you are interested in the columbia release I have one. Its opened but in almost mint condition (used long enough to make a copy for listening)

Make me an offer.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2013 - 5:41 PM   
 By:   avalanche   (Member)

I have them both, and while the LLL sound quality is better, the program flows nicer on the Sony. If you can get it for $10 or less, pick it up.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2013 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

The Sony release from 1999 is a solid CD with acceptable sound quality and a nice album flow. The liner notes are fairly average, but a little inaccurate in some spots. You also do get "Inside Star Trek" which was not duplicated by La La Land. All in all, the Sony release is perfect for the casual fan.

The La La Land set has so much more to offer. Amazing sound (the best of all the TMP releases). You get the film takes on the main program. You get the wind machine climax of "Inner Workings" missing from the Sony CD. You get the original version of "The Enterprise" which is a great piece of music. You get the OST version. You get a booklet with stellar liner notes by Jeff Bond. If you're willing to pay, it's worth every penny by a long shot. I would have paid 100 bucks for this.

Okay, I am a little biased.

-Rick O

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2013 - 6:28 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

You get the wind machine climax of "Inner Workings" missing from the Sony CD.

The wind machine climax is missing from the LLL too, unfortunately. Or, rather, the wind machine itself is (purposefully) turned right down in the mix.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2013 - 8:11 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

I'd take RickO's recommendation seriously, especially if you agree with those who consider ST-TMP Jerry G.'s score of scores. For me, the original "Enterprise" alone is worth the price of admission.

I'm glad, mind you, that I got the Columbia expansion, and have no intention of discarding it. It is indeed a fine, concise overview of this great score.

I also have the CD replicating the original LP, which I picked up for $7.95 one night at a Hollywood Boulevard thrift/souvenir shop. I opened it up when I walked out of the store and discovered -- as apparently the folks who ran the store had not -- that the booklet had been signed (to someone named Jeff) by Robert Wise, Gene Roddenberry, Majel Barrett, DeForest Kelley, George Takei, and a couple of others whose signatures I wish I could decipher...

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2013 - 8:45 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Even if all you want is the original OST playlist or slightly expanded edition I would buy the LLL release. The sound quality is far far superior than any other version released to date.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2013 - 9:26 PM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

I'd take RickO's recommendation seriously, especially if you agree with those who consider ST-TMP Jerry G.'s score of scores. For me, the original "Enterprise" alone is worth the price of admission.

I'm glad, mind you, that I got the Columbia expansion, and have no intention of discarding it. It is indeed a fine, concise overview of this great score.

I also have the CD replicating the original LP, which I picked up for $7.95 one night at a Hollywood Boulevard thrift/souvenir shop. I opened it up when I walked out of the store and discovered -- as apparently the folks who ran the store had not -- that the booklet had been signed (to someone named Jeff) by Robert Wise, Gene Roddenberry, Majel Barrett, DeForest Kelley, George Takei, and a couple of others whose signatures I wish I could decipher...


If you post a clear scan of the cover, I'm sure several of us here could tell you who the mystery signatures are. Soooo jealous!

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2013 - 12:57 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I remember a lot of fans complaining about this release when it came out, but I was just curious what people think about it and if it would be worth purchasing based on what I'm looking for. Thanks.

My take: if you're a STAR TREK completist, or a serious fan of the TMP score, or a hard-to-please audiophile, then get the LLL box set. Otherwise, the 20th Anniversary CD will do fine.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2013 - 1:06 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I've got insufficient patience to sit through the whole 3 CDs of ST: TMP in one sitting.

However, my philosophy is I'd prefer to have the 3 CDs and have the choice to play whatever playlist I feel like (in top quality) rather than be restricted to the shorter program of someone else's design.

Sometimes, I go back to the album program. It was a great program.

Sometimes, I play favourite cues only, generally a mix of what was on the album plus the best of the not-on-album cues.

Sometimes, I play the complete and chronoligical program.

Rarely do I play some of the curios, but sometimes I fancy that for a change.

Point is, you have maximum flexibility and best sound with the 3 CD set. And in a way, the improved sound quality seals it for me almost more than the fact it's so comprehensively complete.

If I'm honest, I'm a bit surprised that this is such a landmark score for you and yet you're only just getting round to buying a version. That's unusual!

The 20th anniversary CD didn't sound as good, it has to be said.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2013 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Dear Accidental --

Thanks for the kind offer. I wish I knew HOW to scan something. That's the difference, I guess, between an accidental genius and a Luddite Cyberpunk (as I sometimes refer to myself). I'll make a few inquiries to see if I'm equipped for that procedure...

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2013 - 3:06 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

If you really can't afford it, go for the 1999 release, but the La-La is definitive in sound quality, content and great liner notes info on the movie. It is such a fenomenal Goldsmith score that even with 3 CDs, you wont get bored IMO


If I'm honest, I'm a bit surprised that this is such a landmark score for you and yet you're only just getting round to buying a version. That's unusual!


I can relate to this; I've been meaning forever to pick up the Star Wars scores (which I loved in the movies when I was a kid) but have never gotten round to it. One day! smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2013 - 3:55 AM   
 By:   Diederik   (Member)

Lots of people state (or imply) that besides the La-La Land 3-disc release every other release has become obsolete, but I beg to differ. The 20th Anniversary release is a fabulous one, with a great selection of cues, good sound quality, Inside Star Trek as sort of a bonus and a fairly low price. All in all, it offers a lot of value for money.

Although I do not own the LLL release, I too decided against buying it because of the perceived lack of added value for me. All those extra tracks may be nice for only a handful of listens and the complete chronological score will most probably be too much to sit through. I am sure though that it is a superbly produced release and that the raves about the sound quality are well-founded, but for me that alone didn't justify buying it. The 20th Anniversary release just seems to balance my needs and finances optimally.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2013 - 4:30 AM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

You get the wind machine climax of "Inner Workings" missing from the Sony CD.

The wind machine climax is missing from the LLL too, unfortunately. Or, rather, the wind machine itself is (purposefully) turned right down in the mix.


You are right, the wind machine is quite low in the mix (while the blaster beam is startlingly loud). This is my only qualm with this release!

-Rick O.

 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2013 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   Elmo Bernstein   (Member)

I say avoid the 1999 Sony CD. It has poor sound - some of the additional cues sound like they were mastered from a cassette tape, and the whole thing is mastered strangely and frankly hurts my ears. One cue ("Inner Workings') is even faded out before it ends! In contrast the LaLa Land release is a paragon of how to produce a CD, and trumps the Sony in every area. Worth the extra money.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2013 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

You are right, the wind machine is quite low in the mix (while the blaster beam is startlingly loud). This is my only qualm with this release! Rick O.

Apparently Botnick dialled it down for LLL because Goldsmith didn't like it and wouldn't have approved (hence the absence of that passage on the Sony CD). I doubt Goldsmith would have liked or approved a CD of Gladiator either but it didn't stop Botnick producing one!

If the wind machine is ever restored to that cue, then *that* will be the definitive edition! :-) But yes, of the available recordings, LLL's is easily the best.

 
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