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Apr 26, 2018 - 8:16 PM
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joan hue
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Octoberman, this is a fascinating topic, and I’ve enjoyed reading all the responses.
We have different values about various subjects. My father was a Conservative Hawk during the Viet Nam war, and I don’t think he ever saw a Jane Fonda movie after that war. He just wouldn’t. That was his personal value.
I went to all the Steve McQueen movies when I was growing up. In the past decade, I’ve read biographies about him only to discover he was a jerk. Hemingway was a fascinating writer, but not a nice guy. Seems like fame spoiled them; on the other hand, I liked their art, but their personal images have been tarnished for me. Sometimes it is hard to separate a person from his/her art.
I went to see Bill Cosby at a live show and loved his TV show and his records. I loved the way he would lecture parents to educate their children and to hold them accountable. He has gone too far, and I won’t go back and revisit his works.
Liked Kevin Spacey’s acting, but he went too far for me. Doubt that I will ever watch his previous works.
Some things we may be able to overlook. Some actions we can’t overlook. It all depends upon what each of us values and what boundaries define our limits.
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So we can laugh at Hitler jokes but not Cosby jokes. Got it.
"Springtime for Hitler and Germany......,"
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So we can laugh at Hitler jokes but not Cosby jokes. Got it.
The Solium Dillema
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So we can laugh at Hitler jokes but not Cosby jokes. Got it.
"Hey hey hey!
Its Fat Albert. Are you asleep yet?"
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I liked a lot of HP Lovecraft writing but it turns out he was a rabid anti-Semite too.
It is funny, Lovecraft was the first person I thought of when I read this subject. I know he was a dedicated anglophile, but aside from that, was there anyone else he didn't hate?
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I love the classic Hitchcock, but he seemed to become more and more penile as he got older. An impotent dick.
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Apr 27, 2018 - 4:59 AM
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jackfu
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Sorry for the thread bleed over (I had posted this under "Personal Confessions"), and hope I'm not violating any rules, but since it's related to this thread, here goes:
I really don't even follow this artist at all, and I neither like or dislike him. I do recall he's been a "Jackass" from time to time so I find myself having a chuckle at the way things have turned for a famous rapper who is now facing the ire of those in the media and fan base who were once his syncophants, since he dared wander away from the lib groupthink.
Now he sees the hatred, intolerance and even racism of the left. Wonder if he’s full woke now?
Schadenfreude, baby!!!
Jawohl, mein Jackfurher!
Danke, mein herr! Today, ze Filmscoremonthly....tomorrow...ze velt!
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Apr 27, 2018 - 5:20 AM
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Graham Watt
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I liked a lot of HP Lovecraft writing but it turns out he was a rabid anti-Semite too.
It is funny, Lovecraft was the first person I thought of when I read this subject. I know he was a dedicated anglophile, but aside from that, was there anyone else he didn't hate?
I'm not absolutely sure about this, but I think I read that in Lovecraft's case, he wasn't really a rabid anti-anything. His (brilliant) stories often describe horrendous creatures from other worlds or dimensions, sometimes describing them as having (among other things really horrid, like "fish eyes, disgusting scales, putrid-smelling skin") "fillthy, rubbery negroid lips". That stuff caused a bit of a stir, not when he wrote it, but when revisionism became the norm. Looking into his fascinating life story, and writings about him from his close associates, he wasn't racist in any way at all. What he did have, being somewhat closeted, was a distrust of the unknown, which for him was anything "alien" to him, probably meaning anything from beyond Providence, never mind outer space or the lost city of Kadath. And it formed the basis for all his amazing literature.
Labelling people is very simple to do, but in most cases it's just an excuse to pigeon-hole complex personalities into easily-understandable ticked boxes.
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Apr 27, 2018 - 5:39 AM
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Rameau
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The thing is, does any nastiness come out in the work? Thinking of three of my favourite composers, Handel, Haydn & JC Bach (Bach's youngest son), they were lovely people, maybe some other favourites less so (after all this time I really couldn't care). My favourite film composers all seem good people (but I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of Bernard Herrmann). I think it's where people are still alive & are caught out, that it gives pause for thought (Bill Cosby is a very good example). Of all the millions of things in this world, such a small percentage gives you real pleasure, so I'm not going to stop enjoying someone's work because they hated Jews or Arabs or Eskimos or everything, after all, we all have bad days, & who's pure enough to throw the first stone?
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Apr 27, 2018 - 7:49 AM
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Jim Phelps
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Sorry for the thread bleed over (I had posted this under "Personal Confessions"), and hope I'm not violating any rules, but since it's related to this thread, here goes:
I really don't even follow this artist at all, and I neither like or dislike him. I do recall he's been a "Jackass" from time to time so I find myself having a chuckle at the way things have turned for a famous rapper who is now facing the ire of those in the media and fan base who were once his syncophants, since he dared wander away from the lib groupthink.
Now he sees the hatred, intolerance and even racism of the left. Wonder if he’s full woke now?
Schadenfreude, baby!!!
Even onetime Black Panther Party shill (and another serial rapist) Eldridge Cleaver bizarrely ended up a conservative during his last years. He would always be a pos, but it was surprising to learn of his change of political course. Jerry Rubin is another relic from that era who also "sold out" (or "saw the light"), so why not Kanye West?
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Blah
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I much prefer the erudite and witty Phelps over the political and wingnut version.
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Apr 27, 2018 - 1:46 PM
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Essankay
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I'm not absolutely sure about this, but I think I read that in Lovecraft's case, he wasn't really a rabid anti-anything. His (brilliant) stories often describe horrendous creatures from other worlds or dimensions, sometimes describing them as having (among other things really horrid, like "fish eyes, disgusting scales, putrid-smelling skin") "fillthy, rubbery negroid lips". That stuff caused a bit of a stir, not when he wrote it, but when revisionism became the norm. Looking into his fascinating life story, and writings about him from his close associates, he wasn't racist in any way at all.
"His private writings on groups such as Irish Catholics, German immigrants and African-Americans were consistently negative. In an early poem, the 1912 'On the Creation of Niggers', Lovecraft describes black people not as human but 'beasts... in semi-human figure, filled with vice'. In his early published essays, private letters and personal utterances, he argued for a strong color line to preserve race and culture. He made these arguments by direct disparagement of various races in his journalism and letters, and perhaps allegorically in his fiction concerning non-human races. Some have interpreted his racial attitude as being more cultural than brutally biological: Lovecraft showed sympathy to those who adopted Western culture, even to the extent of marrying a Jewish woman whom he viewed as 'well assimilated'. While Lovecraft's racial attitude has been seen as directly influenced by the society of his day, especially the New England society he grew up in, his racism appeared stronger than the general popular viewpoint."
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"I'd also like it if my fellow FSMers would all agree upon an infallible artist whom we could all collectively worship and who won't disappoint us. I mean it."
BRUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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