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 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 6:41 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

quantum post!

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

This is a score from a particular era of film scoring and a particular part of this composer's life and career--specifically, the end. He was in ill health and working on a franchise film that he considered very good, but he had explored most of the nooks and crannies of Star Trek before in prior scores. Given all that I do think there are some inspiring moments of the score, but Goldsmith clearly elected to mostly get out of the way during a lot of the initial set-up of the plot and the introduction of Shinzon and apply just very low-key, atmospheric scoring there.
To this is neither the best nor the worst of Goldsmith's work--I enjoy it as a part of the whole of scoring that Goldsmith did for Trek, and certain moments (like "Battle Stations") are highlights for me. I'm impressed that Goldsmith was able to conjure up the impressive moments he did (such as "Final Flight," particularly his final fight music for a very uninvolving fight scene) given his health and what he was working with.
It's ridiculous to compare Nemesis with scores he did years or decades earlier--Goldsmith's style was constantly evolving and he definitely streamlined things in his later years. So why compare "Final Flight" to "Raisuli Attacks"? Compare it to some other action cue written in 2002.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 6:43 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 6:46 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

post...post...post...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   tex1272   (Member)

Was "Rikers Strut #2" used in the film? During the the party sequence?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 8:16 PM   
 By:   HAL 2000   (Member)

Jeff, what's the matter with you?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2014 - 8:25 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Your liner notes were totally awesome Jeff Bond

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 9:58 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

I gave Nemesis a first listen today after basking in the splendor of The Abyss all week. It has its moments to be sure, but as latter-day Goldsmith Trek, it's not quite up there with the likes of First Contact in my opinion. Some in this thread have commented I think you can build an enjoyable 50 minute playlist out of it and there's enough good material to make a solid 50-minute playlist (albeit a very different one than the original 50-minute soundtrack). So, has anyone made their own 50-minute playlist? Which highlights did you choose? I've started building my own, but I'm curious what others' ideal Nemesis albums look like.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2014 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   Bishop   (Member)

Does anybody know why the upper spine color is green?

Placing it next to my other club releases it looks a bit odd ...
Never had such a green club release before - not even on my "Star Trek"-Deluxe Edition. confused

Disclaimer: This is intended as a mere question and not a complaint. wink

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2014 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

So, has anyone made their own 50-minute playlist? Which highlights did you choose? I've started building my own, but I'm curious what others' ideal Nemesis albums look like.

Probably exceeds 50 minutes, but I've started making my own tracklist:

01 Remus
04 Star Field
05 The Argo
06 Odds and Ends
07 Your Brother, Course Plotted
08 Repairs
11 Secrets
17 The Mirror
18 The Scorpion
20 Battle Stations
21 Attack Pattern
22 The Invitation, True Nature, Let's Go To Work
23 Lateral Run
02 Full Reverse
04 Final Flight
05 Firing Sequence
06 A New Friend
21 A New Ending (alternate)

Work in progress smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2014 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   Matt S.   (Member)

Does anybody know why the upper spine color is green?

Placing it next to my other club releases it looks a bit odd ...
Never had such a green club release before - not even on my "Star Trek"-Deluxe Edition. confused

Disclaimer: This is intended as a mere question and not a complaint. wink


It matches Varese's original regular release of Nemesis, which also had green as the upper spine color.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2014 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   Bishop   (Member)

Thank you very much, Matt!

This could well be the explanation.
Even more so as the new release is not intended to replace the old one ...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2014 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)

So, has anyone made their own 50-minute playlist? Which highlights did you choose? I've started building my own, but I'm curious what others' ideal Nemesis albums look like.

Probably exceeds 50 minutes, but I've started making my own tracklist:

01 Remus
04 Star Field
05 The Argo
06 Odds and Ends
07 Your Brother, Course Plotted
08 Repairs
11 Secrets
17 The Mirror
18 The Scorpion
20 Battle Stations
21 Attack Pattern
22 The Invitation, True Nature, Let's Go To Work
23 Lateral Run
02 Full Reverse
04 Final Flight
05 Firing Sequence
06 A New Friend
08 A New Ending

Work in progress smile


Looks pretty solid to me! That's pretty close to the playlist I'm making on. The only thing is I've used the alternate A New Ending as it omits the awful awkward edit of Final Flight into the credits. I've also included The Mine and Ideals cues, otherwise it's pretty much the same.

Chris.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2014 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Does anybody know why the upper spine color is green?

Just a bit of fun because green represents the Romulans.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2014 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   TheFamousEccles   (Member)

Varèse also used a green spine for their deluxe edition of "The Matrix."

I've listened to this album a few times now since its arrival early this week, and I'm actually shocked to find how much I'm enjoying it. The crisper "presence" on the recording helps, but the unreleased material (particularly from the second half of the score) is quite terrific. I love how Goldsmith uses the seven-beat pattern that drives much of the score in various settings - sinister, uplifting, etc. Also, I found the additional statements of the "Quest" theme lovely, and the "Your Brother" cue quite charming - I wish there had been more material like that in the score. Finally, while much of the more ambient scoring still does little for me, I was stunned at how much I enjoyed the "Blood Test" cue - it's a very well structured piece.

Upon this new, complete listening, parts of the material reminded me of a more low-key "Outland," with those dissonant low reed/string stabs on downbeats that permeates a few cues. So, I'm glad I've picked it up, as the score has gone up a few notches in my estimation, and it is an interesting score in the greater context of Goldsmith's career, too - thanks to Jeff Bond for his very fine notes. (Also, I'm not sure if it's the cleaner mix or different takes, but the performances of the TMP march in both versions of the end credits have a lot more get-up-and-go to them than on the original album. They're pretty swell.)

Two more things: Surprised that the Klingon motif isn't referenced at all, as it was used quite a bit in "First Contact," and had a well-placed cameo in "Insurrection." Since so much of the other genetic material from "The Motion Picture" score is revisited here - and since it showed up in all of the other Goldsmith scored sequels - I'm surprised it wasn't worked into one of the scenes.

Also, listening to some of the final cues, I'm struck with how much of the emotional weight in the film Goldsmith actually carried. Shinzon's theme is ultimately a bittersweet piece that points to the lost opportunities of the character (and film), it's rather mournful. As I said, I haven't seen the film in about ten years, but I do remember finding it (among other things) emotionally counterfeit. Listening to the cues on their own, Goldsmith really imbues things with a real sense of finality and dignity - the "That Song/An Honor" track has some very warm writing that got to me (which surprised me), and I realized that the music did a far better job of giving the lumbering film some meaning - and it works far better on its own, untethered from the image.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2014 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

The only thing is I've used the alternate A New Ending as it omits the awful awkward edit of Final Flight into the credits.

Yes! I meant that one sorry, definitely superior to the earlier version. I'll edit my post. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2014 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Bishop   (Member)

Varèse also used a green spine for their deluxe edition of "The Matrix."

LOL, you're so right! big grin
Due to me being partially colorblind I didn't notice this at all.
I really could have sworn it was red like all(?) the other Varese CDs next to it and only when I took it into my hands did I notice the difference.

So problem solved: I won't notice the difference anyway when the CDs are standing next to each other.
Ain't I a truly lucky guy? wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2014 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

So, has anyone made their own 50-minute playlist? Which highlights did you choose? I've started building my own, but I'm curious what others' ideal Nemesis albums look like.

Probably exceeds 50 minutes, but I've started making my own tracklist:

01 Remus
04 Star Field
05 The Argo
06 Odds and Ends
07 Your Brother, Course Plotted
08 Repairs
11 Secrets
17 The Mirror
18 The Scorpion
20 Battle Stations
21 Attack Pattern
22 The Invitation, True Nature, Let's Go To Work
23 Lateral Run
02 Full Reverse
04 Final Flight
05 Firing Sequence
06 A New Friend
21 A New Ending (alternate)

Work in progress smile



Nice list there, Francis. I also prefer the shorter, alternate "A New Ending" track. Here's my own work-in-progress album assembly:

1. Remus
2. The Box
3. My Right Arm
4. The Argo
5. Odds And Ends
6. Secrets
7. The Mine
8. Ideals
9. Blood Test
10. The Mirror
11. The Scorpion
12. His Plans / Data & B-4
13. Attack Pattern
14. Let's Go To Work
15. Lateral Run
16. Engage
17. Not Functional
18. Final Flight
19. A New Friend
20. An Honor
21. A New Ending [alternate]

I'm appreciating and enjoying the score much more in this format.

@TheFamousEccles: I too really like the "Blood Test" cue. It was one of the ones that jumped out at me for some reason on my first listen. There isn't a whole lot going on in the cue––it's mostly atmospheric––but it strikes the right chord with me.

Also, do those catchy "synthisms" in "Attack Pattern" and especially in "Engage" make anyone else think instantly of Escape From New York? smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2014 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   tex1272   (Member)

I'm curious aboutn"Riker's Strut#2". Was this used in the final film?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2014 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

A masters course in film scoring. Synergetic, focused, and economical, yet dynamic in many regards. Jerry was playing chess when everyone else was playing checkers. Possibly his best underscore work in the series. Very impressive considering his life's affairs at the time.

Dan

 
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