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 Posted:   Jan 25, 2014 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

I'm curious aboutn"Riker's Strut#2". Was this used in the final film?

Not entirely sure. I know there was a scene with Wesley from the party that was cut. Picard said it was good to see Wesley in a uniform again. I think it was used for that sequence but didn't make it in the final film.

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2014 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   GOLDSMITHDAKING   (Member)

I'm curious aboutn"Riker's Strut#2". Was this used in the final film?

Not entirely sure. I know there was a scene with Wesley from the party that was cut. Picard said it was good to see Wesley in a uniform again. I think it was used for that sequence but didn't make it in the final film.


Its the music thats played when people are dancing at Riker and Trois wedding.

Just treated myself to listening to this in its entirety and my oh my, what a fantastic expansion! This is without a doubt my favourite of JG's Trek work since TMP.Stunning action music to go along with surprisingly heartbreaking themes for Data and Shinzon.Never realised until not how much of the latter dominates the entire score until now.

The sound is greatly improved over the previous release.Tracks like ' The Scorpion ' have much more kick than they did originally.

A terrific end to Goldsmiths run on the series for one of the most underated films in the franchise.Will treasure this for many years to come.

 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2014 - 7:36 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

The sound is much, much better. The first cue I wanted to hear was "The Mine" - very cool. The last cue with Jerry and the orchestra was fun. I'm glad they kept the green spine too. Nice touch. I've always been a fan of this score with it's dark, weird electronics as only Jerry could do, it's nice to finally close the book on it.

I am really loving the new mix which brings out more of the electronics - especially in "The Scorpion"
After hearing that, I don't think I could go back to the old mix.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2014 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

This was indeed a strange Goldsmith STAR TREK score to accept back in 2002, but I certainly have always enjoyed major portions of it and appreciate it much more now. I think what some aspects which many were not a fan of is that fact that it maintains a moody, brooding tone accompanied by the explosive action cues without the sense of optimism spread through the other Goldsmith TREK scores.

FIRST CONTACT has its dark, brooding moments as well as great action, but then that main "First Contact" theme really adds variety and adds that level of optimism and wonder. NEMESIS is often a very single-minded score. More of its variety shines in this release, though, such as the nods to TMP and uses of that "Quest" theme from TFF, which wound becoming a theme more about Picard in Goldsmith's TNG score.

As for my own expanded album edit, I went for one in the 70-minute range, with these tracks, keeping what Goldsmith had on his original album and just supplementing it:

1. Remus
2. The Box
3. My Right Arm
4. Starfield/Positronic Signal
5. The Argo
6. Odds And Ends
7. Your Brother/Course Plotted
8. Repairs
9. The Knife
10. Ideals
11. The Mirror
12. The Scorpion
13. His Plans/Data & B4
12. Battlestations
14. Attack Pattern
14. The Invitation/Let's Go To Work
15. Lateral Run
16. Engage
17. Not Functional
18. Final Flight
19. A New Friend
20. An Honor
21. A New Ending [alternate]

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2014 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)

Nemesis arrived yesterday.

Not listened to it yet but just had to say isn't it fantastic to have all 10 expanded/complete scores. Who would have thought a few years ago that this would ever happen.

My inner geek too over and I couldn't resist pulling out the other releases and putting them all side by side. Go on admit it.... who else did the same? I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Thanks to all the people and labels involved in bringing these releases out. Now to find the time and sit down and listen to all of them one after the other smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2014 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   GOLDSMITHDAKING   (Member)

Nemesis arrived yesterday.

Not listened to it yet but just had to say isn't it fantastic to have all 10 expanded/complete scores. Who would have thought a few years ago that this would ever happen.

My inner geek too over and I couldn't resist pulling out the other releases and putting them all side by side. Go on admit it.... who else did the same? I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Thanks to all the people and labels involved in bringing these releases out. Now to find the time and sit down and listen to all of them one after the other smile


We still do not have all TWELVE expanded Trek movie scores.Until an expanded Into Darkness and a proper expanded reissue of Star Trek 2009 appear, the collection is not complete.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2014 - 6:38 PM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

Nemesis arrived yesterday.

Not listened to it yet but just had to say isn't it fantastic to have all 10 expanded/complete scores. Who would have thought a few years ago that this would ever happen.

My inner geek too over and I couldn't resist pulling out the other releases and putting them all side by side. Go on admit it.... who else did the same? I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Thanks to all the people and labels involved in bringing these releases out. Now to find the time and sit down and listen to all of them one after the other smile


We still do not have all TWELVE expanded Trek movie scores.Until an expanded Into Darkness and a proper expanded reissue of Star Trek 2009 appear, the collection is not complete.


As much as I would love to see it fixed, I would not hedge my bets on getting another Trek 2009 anytime soon. It was something of an unexpected mere miracle that we got the expanded... I can't seem them putting for the expenditure anytime soon to redo, especially if my suspicions about $$ being the reason some of the choral overlays didn't make it on the expansion are true.

Into Darkness seems reasonable to expect if the 2009 expanded & Into Darkness sales were good.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2014 - 9:13 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

Nemesis arrived yesterday.

Not listened to it yet but just had to say isn't it fantastic to have all 10 expanded/complete scores. Who would have thought a few years ago that this would ever happen.

My inner geek too over and I couldn't resist pulling out the other releases and putting them all side by side. Go on admit it.... who else did the same? I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Thanks to all the people and labels involved in bringing these releases out. Now to find the time and sit down and listen to all of them one after the other smile


We still do not have all TWELVE expanded Trek movie scores.Until an expanded Into Darkness and a proper expanded reissue of Star Trek 2009 appear, the collection is not complete.


As much as I would love to see it fixed, I would not hedge my bets on getting another Trek 2009 anytime soon. It was something of an unexpected mere miracle that we got the expanded... I can't seem them putting for the expenditure anytime soon to redo, especially if my suspicions about $$ being the reason some of the choral overlays didn't make it on the expansion are true.

Into Darkness seems reasonable to expect if the 2009 expanded & Into Darkness sales were good.



They could just add a few of the 'corrected' cues as a bonus on the INTO DARKNESS expansion set. Thats should probably take another page of credits into the booklet. just saying...why not?

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2014 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)



They could just add a few of the 'corrected' cues as a bonus on the INTO DARKNESS expansion set. Thats should probably take another page of credits into the booklet. just saying...why not?


Probably for the same reason they weren't on the original release: cost. They'd still have to pay for the choral overlays from the previous score. If they didn't do it earlier, I can't see them ponying up the bucks to do it now.

 
 Posted:   Jan 31, 2014 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Probably for the same reason they weren't on the original release: cost. They'd still have to pay for the choral overlays from the previous score. If they didn't do it earlier, I can't see them ponying up the bucks to do it now.

Ditto James Newton Howard's Last Airbender score (exact same issues though, personally, I prefer the album as it is - without the choral overdubs)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2014 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   JamesSouthall   (Member)

Review of the new album, if anyone's interested:

http://www.movie-wave.net/star-trek-nemesis/

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2014 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I love this new mix so much. The synth is much more prominent now. Sounds great.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2014 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I like this new mix as well (scorpion rocks!) and after having seen the movie again last week, I definitely find myself drawn to the beautiful Data/B4 cues and that moment depicted on the backcover inlay when Data de-activates B4. Very effective scoring. It's great to have the alternates included, but the film version mix get my preference.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2014 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   John Chambers   (Member)

Great review James.

I've been loving this new release and have been playing it endlessly since it arrived, a big thanks to everyone involved. It's wonderful to have the original live mixes in the extras to go along with the original album. I'm trying to put together an original live mix playlist combining the relevant tracks from each release, below is the playlist I came up with. Can Mike, Lukas or anyone else in the know confirm if this is correct? Many thanks.

1. Remus “Original Album”
2. The Box “Original Album”
3. My Right Arm
4. Star Field / Positronic Signal
5. The Argo
6. Odds And Ends “Original Album”
7. Your Brother / Course Plotted
8. Repairs “Original Album”
9. The Knife
10. Perfect Timing / Allegiance
11. Secrets “Alternate Mix”
12. The Mine
13. Ideals
14. Options “Alternate Mix”
15. Bed Time / Transport
16. Blood Test
17. The Mirror “Original Album”
18. The Scorpion “Original Album”
19. His Plans / Data & B-4
20. Battle Stations “Alternate Mix”
21. Attack Pattern “Alternate Mix”
22. The Invitation / True Nature / Let’s Go To Work “Left out the alternate mix here as it’s inseparable from the 2 cues surrounding it”
23. Lateral Run
24. The Viceroy
25. Engage “Original Album”
26. Full Reverse
27. Not Functional
28. Final Flight “Original Album”
29. Firing Sequence
30. A New Friend
31. That Song / An Honor
32. A New Ending “Original Album”

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2014 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Review of the new album, if anyone's interested:

http://www.movie-wave.net/star-trek-nemesis/


Excellent review, James, I agree wholeheartedly with what you wrote. I'm just discovering your site and am enjoying it a great deal.

smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2014 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   Chris1770   (Member)

1. Remus “Original Album”
2. The Box “Original Album”
3. My Right Arm
4. Star Field / Positronic Signal
5. The Argo
6. Odds And Ends “Original Album”
7. Your Brother / Course Plotted
8. Repairs “Original Album”
9. The Knife
10. Perfect Timing / Allegiance
11. Secrets “Alternate Mix”
12. The Mine
13. Ideals
14. Options “Alternate Mix”
15. Bed Time / Transport
16. Blood Test
17. The Mirror “Original Album”
18. The Scorpion “Original Album”
19. His Plans / Data & B-4
20. Battle Stations “Alternate Mix”
21. Attack Pattern “Alternate Mix”
22. The Invitation / True Nature / Let’s Go To Work “Left out the alternate mix here as it’s inseparable from the 2 cues surrounding it”
23. Lateral Run
24. The Viceroy
25. Engage “Original Album”
26. Full Reverse
27. Not Functional
28. Final Flight “Original Album”
29. Firing Sequence
30. A New Friend
31. That Song / An Honor
32. A New Ending “Original Album”



Thanks for this. I think it's what can be done with the material we've got at this point. At least until the music in high resolution quality will be sold as a download in the arguably not so far future...

I made a mixdown of #22 - cutting & pasting the alternate mix of "True Nature" using Cool edit pro.

However, it is a pity the whole program does not fit on a single CD. There are about 2 minutes of overrun to be cut away.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 13, 2014 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

So the inevitable question comes; when do we get an expanded Into Darkness?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 2, 2014 - 7:48 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I finally ordered this last night, can't wait to get it! My favorite TREK scores are Goldsmith's, they are also my favorite Goldsmith scores.

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2014 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   Mike_H   (Member)

This is my first time hearing this score, and it is bloody fantastic! So much clarity in the writing and orchestration. Lots of terrific thematic development as well. Hearing Goldsmith's voice in the last track brought a smile to my face.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2014 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

So the inevitable question comes; when do we get an expanded Into Darkness?

Who knows? Since Into Darkness has been out a year on May 16th, maybe an expanded score announcement will come soon. I know that Giacchino's first Trek score was expanded a year after the film, so here's hoping!

 
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