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Sooo maybe I'm an idiot, but... where's the "Sub Battle" cue on this new release?
I mean, I'm going to assume it's on there, considering it's the action highlight of the whole score... but is it now under a different name?
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Sooo maybe I'm an idiot, but... where's the "Sub Battle" cue on this new release?
I mean, I'm going to assume it's on there, considering it's the action highlight of the whole score... but is it now under a different name?
Silvestri never wrote any music for the sub battle. In the final film, part of his original version of "What A Drag" was used to cover the scene, along with parts of "He's Convulsing" and other stuff. For the OST, "He's Convulsing" and "Crashing Crane" were combined together and labeled as "Sub Battle" (Even though "Crashing Crane" wasn't used in the sub battle).
Looks like for the DE, they stuck the original What A Drag at the end of Disc 1, since that's when the sub battle takes place, and with another alternate version of What A Drag already being in the bonus section, they don't have to have a similar track twice there. Smart move.
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Jason is right about that.
"Sub Battle" on the OST is just half of the original "What A Drag". Looking forward to hearing that whole piece outside of the film for a change!
I think though for my iPod I'll rename the original "What A Drag" to "Sub Battle".
Now that some people seem to have this, are these opinions accurate?
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Jan 13, 2014 - 9:49 AM
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GoblinScore
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Jason is right about that.
"Sub Battle" on the OST is just half of the original "What A Drag". Looking forward to hearing that whole piece outside of the film for a change!
I think though for my iPod I'll rename the original "What A Drag" to "Sub Battle".
Now that some people seem to have this, are these opinions accurate?
I'll have to re-compare the two, spent 2 hours with this on Saturday, but yes,
Sub Battle as we know and love from the old Varese is not the same here.
The main title is different too, the choral bit that opens the film is its own cue, and the
military snares come in a few cues later.
The finale/end title is short 2 mins. as noted above by someone - that I did compare
to the old, and don't understand what happened here. Like I said in another thread, I don't want to be 'that guy' who nitpicks & complains (as I kind of do it anyway...) - Matessino has 1 page that addresses some of the changes, that these are the real sessions and a lot of editing/tracking was done - but he only talks about Sub Battle really. The rest of the book has Kirgo notes.................
The alternates are VERY interesting, since they import themes into otherwise
more textural/action cues - and I can just hear Cameron going 'no no, that won't do!'.....
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Jason is right about that.
"Sub Battle" on the OST is just half of the original "What A Drag". Looking forward to hearing that whole piece outside of the film for a change!
I think though for my iPod I'll rename the original "What A Drag" to "Sub Battle".
Now that some people seem to have this, are these opinions accurate?
Opinions? Excuse me? Do you have some reason to think I don't know what I'm talking about?
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The finale/end title is short 2 mins. as noted above by someone - that I did compare to the old, and don't understand what happened here. Like I said in another thread, I don't want to be 'that guy' who nitpicks & complains (as I kind of do it anyway...) -
"Finale and End Credits" on the new presentation is the complete Finale cue, which includes in it's final minute the start of the end credits, which was meant to flow into the music editor assembled assembly of cues that made up the rest of the end credits in the film.
On the OST, the Finale track was included in its entirety, then at 4:45 instead of segueing to the film's assembly of cues, the track segued to the final 2 minutes of "Bud Reborn / Blinky Bows". It's actually an edit that works really well in that circumstance! But I'm glad it wasn't repeated for this new presentation.
I do wonder if the makers of this new presentation ever considered including the film's and credit assembly to end the main presentation. The Finale cue as written by Silvestri just kinda hangs there at the end, since it was meant to segue to other music.
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Jason is right about that.
"Sub Battle" on the OST is just half of the original "What A Drag". Looking forward to hearing that whole piece outside of the film for a change!
I think though for my iPod I'll rename the original "What A Drag" to "Sub Battle".
Now that some people seem to have this, are these opinions accurate?
Opinions? Excuse me? Do you have some reason to think I don't know what I'm talking about?
Have you heard the new set? I was wondering if anyone who had could confirm whether or not "What A Drag (Original)" was the source of the majority of the "Sub Battle" cue.
If you haven't heard the new set, then yes, I guess anyone would be right in assuming that you didn't know what you were talking about in this case.
Anyway, could someone in California with the set confirm this? I was just wondering is all. No need to get up in arms about your qualifications.
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Jan 13, 2014 - 11:26 AM
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Tom Servo
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Jason is right about that.
"Sub Battle" on the OST is just half of the original "What A Drag". Looking forward to hearing that whole piece outside of the film for a change!
I think though for my iPod I'll rename the original "What A Drag" to "Sub Battle".
Now that some people seem to have this, are these opinions accurate?
Opinions? Excuse me? Do you have some reason to think I don't know what I'm talking about?
Have you heard the new set? I was wondering if anyone who had could confirm whether or not "What A Drag (Original)" was the source of the majority of the "Sub Battle" cue.
If you haven't heard the new set, then yes, I guess anyone would be right in assuming that you didn't know what you were talking about in this case.
Anyway, could someone in California with the set confirm this? I was just wondering is all. No need to get up in arms about your qualifications.
"What a Drag (original)" was the cue originally written for the crane crash sequence, but a portion of it, the slower version of the action theme, wound up being used at the start of the sub battle sequence, when Bud is following the sub underwater. I learned recently that apparently there was no original music written for the sub battle sequence, it always consisted of alternate cues from other parts of the film.
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Hey Tom,
Yeah, I read that as well. I was just trying to figure out if "What A Drag (Original)" actually contains the bits used for the album's "Sub Battle" cue for sure before I splurge.
Thanks!
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