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Jan 14, 2014 - 8:21 AM
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MikeP
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Superman Returns is an excellent score. One of the best releases of 2013 for me. As Giacchino-fan mentioned, all comments about this release so far have been posted in the main release thread, perhaps explaining why not many have jumped right away to post here, but a thread of its own is certainly deserved. There is such power, such wonder, such beauty, such energy, and such loving respect for Williams' original in this score. From the playful "Kitty Decoy" to the stately "Genesis Project" and all the wonderful new action music now expanded throughout, Superman Returns is a score that is best heard in full. I wasn't quite as involved with this film or its score at the time of its release, but I recall reading since then several negative comments about Ottman simply rehashing or even butchering Williams themes for Superman Returns. I have no idea how anyone comes away from this score with that impression. The reworked main theme is punchy and dynamic and full of that sweeping, soaring heroism we all expect when we think of Superman. And like yourself, I too love the opening Warner Brothers logo with the Superman tag on the end. Ottman seems to like doing that with his films as there's an X-Men tag at the end of the 20th Century Fox logo in X2, too.
Thanks to Tango, I was able to get this in a CD trade...and what a fantastic package this is !
Even with the original Rhino CD this score stood out for me as very emotional and powerful, all the fanboy Kaplan-led-It-ain't-Williams-so-it-sucks hysteria was pretty silly. This new expansion does indeed add some wonderful music to an already satisfying listen. As mentioned above, the score indeed does feel like a respectful tribute to Williams' score, while Ottman shows his own skills with very pleasing original music. Overall the score does add a solid contribution to the Superman legacy and stands on its own as a fine modern day film score.
The sound, the design, the booklet, a knockout, as Doug Fake would say, a bulls-eye !
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". . . Kaplan-led-It-ain't-Williams-so-it-sucks hysteria was pretty silly.
I think you know that wasn't the Kaplans' argument. Their review "went away," though, so . . .
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Jan 22, 2014 - 2:51 PM
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Trent B
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I´ve finally had an opportunity to listen to the 'Superman Returns' set I ordered a month ago.
It´s a nice set: cover design looks beautiful, the liner notes are top-notch.
The sound however is a different matter.
For heaven's sake, why is it so loud? Why was every loud piece effectively destroyed? I´m not kidding: transients are crushed, clipping artifacts are very audible.
You guys at LLL, this is an orchestra, not some recent release by Justin Bieber, it can´t be treated like the next best mainstream thing. This score isn´t supposed to enter the charts, you know.
It´s not the first time either. I bought your 'Matrix Reloaded' set too where - instead of treating the flaws - you made it as loud as possible (again with destroyed transients, even though it wasn´t as audible as on the 'Superman' set).
Let this be a warning to LLL: I will stop buying your releases should you continue to treat their sound without respect.
Really you're gonna stop buying the releases because of that? That's a bit retarded. I think Dan Goldwasser mastered the releases for Superman Returns and The Matrix Reloaded.
Don't fault LLL on two releases. Others have been outstanding, ID-4, Star Trek TMP, Batman, Star Trek V, Hook, etc...
As I said I think it lies with who masters the CD.
I will point out I noticed the flaws for Superman Returns. There were points where in the action oriented music that at times it tended to distort a bit but over all it's a solid release.
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Really you're gonna stop buying the releases because of that? That's a bit retarded. I think Dan Goldwasser mastered the releases for Superman Returns and The Matrix Reloaded.
Don't fault LLL on two releases. Others have been outstanding, ID-4, Star Trek TMP, Batman, Star Trek V, Hook, etc...
As I said I think it lies with who masters the CD.
I will point out I noticed the flaws for Superman Returns. There were points where in the action oriented music that at times it tended to distort a bit but over all it's a solid release.
I did not do any album mastering. I produced the albums and did the artwork. Please be accurate in the future. Thanks.
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Jan 22, 2014 - 4:40 PM
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Marlene
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Really you're gonna stop buying the releases because of that? That's a bit retarded. I think Dan Goldwasser mastered the releases for Superman Returns and The Matrix Reloaded.
Don't fault LLL on two releases. Others have been outstanding, ID-4, Star Trek TMP, Batman, Star Trek V, Hook, etc...
As I said I think it lies with who masters the CD.
I will point out I noticed the flaws for Superman Returns. There were points where in the action oriented music that at times it tended to distort a bit but over all it's a solid release.
Doug Schwartz did the mastering for 'Superman Returns', Mike Mattessino for 'Matrix Reloaded'. And yes, I´ll stop buying those releases, releases where material is intentionally destroyed to appeal either to mainstream-buying hordes of people (with stuff limited to 3000 pieces?) or to young crowds.
It may not be audible to everyone but to me it´s extremely disturbing, I notice it every time the orchestra gets louder. Well, it´s audible and - for me - it destroys the mood the music tries to set.
Brickwall limiting producing audible artifacts is - for orchestral scores - one thing only: unnecessary.
You´ve mentioned several other releases by LLL... I´ve kept quiet regarding them. And I will continue to do so because I still remember the reaction when I complained about 'Hook'. It´s pointless and hopeless anyway.
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