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 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 6:25 AM   
 By:   BrendonKelly   (Member)

I may have missed it, but have not seen a thread for La La Land's Superman Returns.

What a brilliant score this is! Played out in full reveals so much more than the OST (even though I do think that was a grand 50 minutes!).

From the opening WB logo and Planet Krypton music to the Genesis Project anthem and the complete Rough Flight and first appearance this score is powerful, elegant, thematic and bold. John Ottman has used JW's themes intelligently, subtly where required and bold where needed. His own love theme and theme for Superman are excellent and fit well into the Superman musical universe.

I love the fact that LLL have included the demo for Return To Krypton - it feels to me that this deserves a place as track number two in the running order!

Superman The Movie is my favourite film score of all time and I love Ken Thorne and Alexander Courage's follow up scores. John Ottman, revealing all this detail in this two disc set, has truly knocked this one out of the park!

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

As much as I enjoyed the original soundtrack, having this expanded score is so much better. Most of the discussion was in this thread:

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=100378&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 7:08 AM   
 By:   BrendonKelly   (Member)

Yes I appreciate that. Just felt this deserved a thread of its own like LW and PS!

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   GOLDSMITHDAKING   (Member)

Got the original soundtrack a few years ago as a gift.Was not impressed at all with the score apart from the faithful recreations of John Williams themes.Like a lot of Ottman scores, it is way too reliant on childrens choir.

The film really stank as well.Im glad it didnt do well enough to merit a sequel.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   BrendonKelly   (Member)

Wow 120 views and one negative comment! Really surprised there are not more people wanting to discuss this.

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Haven't cracked this one open yet. But the OST is marvelous and it was missing some stand out cues. Thanks LLL for making this happen. It's one of Ottman's best scores.

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Wow 120 views and one negative comment! Really surprised there are not more people wanting to discuss this.


I thought the Kaplans' podcast was the most insightful analysis of this score (and of Ottman) I'd seen (heard). Wish it was still accessible somehow.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Superman Returns is an excellent score. One of the best releases of 2013 for me. As Giacchino-fan mentioned, all comments about this release so far have been posted in the main release thread, perhaps explaining why not many have jumped right away to post here, but a thread of its own is certainly deserved. There is such power, such wonder, such beauty, such energy, and such loving respect for Williams' original in this score. From the playful "Kitty Decoy" to the stately "Genesis Project" and all the wonderful new action music now expanded throughout, Superman Returns is a score that is best heard in full. I wasn't quite as involved with this film or its score at the time of its release, but I recall reading since then several negative comments about Ottman simply rehashing or even butchering Williams themes for Superman Returns. I have no idea how anyone comes away from this score with that impression. The reworked main theme is punchy and dynamic and full of that sweeping, soaring heroism we all expect when we think of Superman. And like yourself, I too love the opening Warner Brothers logo with the Superman tag on the end. Ottman seems to like doing that with his films as there's an X-Men tag at the end of the 20th Century Fox logo in X2, too.

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

. . . but I recall reading since then several negative comments about Ottman simply rehashing or even butchering Williams themes for Superman Returns. I have no idea how anyone comes away from this score with that impression . . .

. . . The reworked main theme is punchy and dynamic . . .



I'm not sure what you mean by "reworked." Could you elaborate on this? All I noticed about it was that Ottman botched Williams' ending for the main title.

This kind of discussion is why I found the Kaplan podcast so useful. They weren't bickering or just badmouthing the score, but their audio samples demonstrated a good amount of temp-track-mimicry in it which might surprise you.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

. . . but I recall reading since then several negative comments about Ottman simply rehashing or even butchering Williams themes for Superman Returns. I have no idea how anyone comes away from this score with that impression . . .

. . . The reworked main theme is punchy and dynamic . . .



I'm not sure what you mean by "reworked." Could you elaborate on this? All I noticed about it was that Ottman botched Williams' ending for the main title.

This kind of discussion is why I found the Kaplan podcast so useful. They weren't bickering or just badmouthing the score, but their audio samples demonstrated a good amount of temp-track-mimicry in it which might surprise you.


I mean just that: reworked. The themes are the same, but different parts sound emphasized or appear in different iterations throughout the score. It's plain for anyone to see that Ottman used Williams themes and played them very close to the original, and intentionally so, but he wove them in a respectful and beautiful way into the tapestry of his own great score. To my ears, of course.

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Wow 120 views and one negative comment! .

really surprised there is only one negative comment!
IIRC this film and score was not well recieved on first release
bruce

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 7:33 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Wow 120 views and one negative comment! Really surprised there are not more people wanting to discuss this.

I like SUPERMAN RETURNS a lot and happily bought the expanded CD. I was especially pleased to get Ottman's take on "The Planet Krypton." Of course, I consider Williams' original just about the greatest single film score of all time.

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 8:28 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

Wow 120 views and one negative comment! .

really surprised there is only one negative comment!
IIRC this film and score was not well recieved on first release
bruce


"Devisive" perhaps, but to say "Not well received" - for both score and movie - is, I think, a case of just reading the negatives.

I have yet to receive this release - though everything I read about it (and I do include the inevitable negatives) just whets my appetitie more. Can't wait. And yes, I f***ing love the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2014 - 2:06 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

The film is truly appalling. The score... has its moments but - like the film - is tonally all over the place. I'll pick up the expansion eventually I guess.

Whatever your thoughts about Man Of Steel, at least it was a bold new vision. Returns just felt like warmed up leftovers.

 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2014 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Whatever your thoughts about Man Of Steel, at least it was a bold new vision. Returns just felt like warmed up leftovers.


It's a matter of taste. I would rather have a good leftover casserole than a fresh plate of cabbage. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2014 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   Reeve   (Member)

I simply feel the need to say that when it comes to Superman Threads, I do try to stay away from them (An exception is Man Of Steel – that is not a Superman Thread – that film was awful – you can’t call that film Super in any possible way - It destroyed everything that Superman Stands for – and for the record, his parents were clones, which makes him a clone as well – so what if it was the first real birth in years! Do we have to get a close up and the mother’s moans before the first majestic shot of Planet Krypton is shown? Hey – wait a Minute – I forgot…. There was no majestic shot of the planet Krypton!)

But when it comes to the films that show love and respect for the character, then – I don’t feel like posting because I can’t stand reading negative comments about something that is so Dear and Near to my Heart!
This score, and film…. There a times when I watch it, that I feel it’s better than Superman: The Movie – (that is until I go back to the Reeve Films!)

Not enough action some critics are saying…. So Man of Steel had plenty of that right!
WRONG!

It was Transformers! (I guess I’ll have to trust you! What a d!Ck! ArgggghhhhHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! X 4)

He could have saved his dad if he wanted to - don't blame Henry Cavill - blame the writers and the director!

As for the ending..... I rest my case!

 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2014 - 5:23 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Whatever your thoughts about Man Of Steel, at least it was a bold new vision. Returns just felt like warmed up leftovers.

At least Returns has Superman saving people and not COMMITTING MURDER. And it had the proper Williams music.

 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2014 - 5:44 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Whatever your thoughts about Man Of Steel, at least it was a bold new vision.

A bold new vision of puerile crap, yes.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2014 - 6:26 AM   
 By:   dpsternan   (Member)

The film is truly appalling. The score... has its moments but - like the film - is tonally all over the place. I'll pick up the expansion eventually I guess.

Whatever your thoughts about Man Of Steel, at least it was a bold new vision. Returns just felt like warmed up leftovers.


I actually enjoyed Superman Returns very much. I don't understand all of the hate. It was a lot of fun, and beautifully shot. Picked up the expanded OST - looking forward to giving it a spin.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2014 - 6:54 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Whatever your thoughts about Man Of Steel, at least it was a bold new vision.

A bold new vision of puerile crap, yes.


I actually agree. I didn't think much of Man Of Steel either.

But I kind of admire them for trying more than I admire Singer for attempting to wipe Superman III and IV off the map with his own revisionist (but much less charming) version.

 
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