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Don't fault LLL on two releases. Others have been outstanding, ID-4, Star Trek TMP, Batman, Star Trek V, Hook, etc...
Haha, you said Batman and Hook were outstanding releases.
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Jan 23, 2014 - 4:44 AM
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Spymaster
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Don't fault LLL on two releases. Others have been outstanding, ID-4, Star Trek TMP, Batman, Star Trek V, Hook, etc...
Haha, you said Batman and Hook were outstanding releases.
What's wrong with them?
Hook is a dreadful-sounding release. Fluctuation of quality across the set is a nightmare, especially for such a recent score. True, it's probably down to availability of elements but... Whenever I listen to this, it's the Epic CD I play.
Batman Disc 1 suffers from similar element issues.
And, frankly, Star Trek V sounds flat and lifeless. No worse than the original CD, but no better.
Okay, rant over :-)
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Jan 23, 2014 - 6:29 AM
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Marlene
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Actually I did notice the volume levels of Superman Returns...i cant remember which but there is a couple of tracks where I question whether or not the volume was cranked up. They were somewhat quieter tracks too.
It wasn't a irritating to me though, but I sure did notice it.
I didn´t want to answer in this thread anymore after LLL posted the picture from 'Chinatown' which I took as not being taken serious.
Well, here I go... there actually are many pieces where peaks are crushed. Now this wouldn´t bother me at all if it would have been done right. The original release had brickwall limiting too; it wasn´t THAT audible though. And here it´s very, very audible.
Then dynamics are inconsistent over the whole set: some pieces are partially so soft that you can´t hear anything ('04. Homecoming - Tell Me Everything - Stars in the Sky'). Other pieces - which should be soft as well judging from orchestration and a now audible noisefloor - are almost as loud as the major action pieces ('12. Superman Scoop - Eavesdropping' springs to mind... or track 4 again where the last 30 seconds are much louder than the rest). All of this goes on and on and on...
Then four tracks are equalized differently than the rest: Tracks 23, 30, 31, 32 (more treble, less mids, more upper bass, less deep bass) are sounding brittle and tinny.
Inconsistent gain levels, badly done brickwall limiting, inconsistent EQ: it´s the worst re-master I´ve heard since 'Hook'.
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Jan 23, 2014 - 6:52 AM
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Marlene
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We are enormously grateful to the labels for making these great releases happen. They have striven to produce this amazing gifts to us using the best resources available to them. That makes them great. The passion and hardwork that goes into it and not to mention the $$$ that goes into each project-we should be eternaly grateful. Sure sometimes a few things may miss their mark but not altogether. I'd rather have what we can get rather than then just not have.Got it?
Well I got it, but if no one ever pointed out the mistakes, and issues that could be avoided in future releases then nothing will ever be improved. We are lucky with most of these soundtrack labels like LLL because they very often go back and fix the mistakes!
I don't know the story, but for Superman Returns it may have been a poor engineering decision, perhaps some comments on the quality of the mastering can help them improve on the next releases.
Agreed. Well worded feedback can do wonders. But these folks are professionals and know the job well enough.
Exactly. These folks are professionals - but then why do they behave like amateurs?
I might be able to provide the answer myself: they think 'No one will notice anyway so let´s save some money on mastering.' I assume that well done mastering is expensive. I don´t know of course about rates... but let me tell you this:
If I´m able to perform a consistent, not-brickwalled, dynamically pleasing mastering in one to three days as the amateur I certainly am, then they should be able to perform that task in even less time.
Otherwise, I agree. If I start to complain and if others join in, maybe they are going to change something in the future and release things on the level of Intrada or FSM (I miss those releases). But for the time being, they are no match against them, to me they feel like the kids attempting to play with the big boys.
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We are enormously grateful to the labels for making these great releases happen. They have striven to produce this amazing gifts to us using the best resources available to them. That makes them great. The passion and hardwork that goes into it and not to mention the $$$ that goes into each project-we should be eternaly grateful. Sure sometimes a few things may miss their mark but not altogether. I'd rather have what we can get rather than then just not have.Got it?
Well I got it, but if no one ever pointed out the mistakes, and issues that could be avoided in future releases then nothing will ever be improved. We are lucky with most of these soundtrack labels like LLL because they very often go back and fix the mistakes!
I don't know the story, but for Superman Returns it may have been a poor engineering decision, perhaps some comments on the quality of the mastering can help them improve on the next releases.
Agreed. Well worded feedback can do wonders. But these folks are professionals and know the job well enough.
Exactly. These folks are professionals - but then why do they behave like amateurs?
I might be able to provide the answer myself: they think 'No one will notice anyway so let´s save some money on mastering.' I assume that well done mastering is expensive. I don´t know of course about rates... but let me tell you this:
If I´m able to perform a consistent, not-brickwalled, dynamically pleasing mastering in one to three days as the amateur I certainly am, then they should be able to perform that task in even less time.
Otherwise, I agree. If I start to complain and if others join in, maybe they are going to change something in the future and release things on the level of Intrada or FSM (I miss those releases). But for the time being, they are no match against them, to me they feel like the kids attempting to play with the big boys.
The problem here is we can't take a nameless customer such as yourself seriously. You hide behind a computer screen and spout hateful bs on labels (consistently). You are pissing and moaning about Doug Schwartz's mastering job on Superman Returns and referring to us as kids? Doug is a highly respected engineer who has more experience in this field than anyone we have ever worked with. Who do you think mastered most of the FSM releases?
Do yourself a favor and stop buying our product if it makes you that unhappy. You'll live longer. 
MV
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This all seems very dramatic and way over the top. If one isn't happy with the sound quality of a CD, then so be it, but to suggest that LLL are children who don't know what they're doing or are rubbing their little paws together with evil glee to fool the public is just effing ludicrous. I mean really. A little common courtesy would go along way in spite of differing opinions. Eeesh.
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