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 Posted:   Sep 7, 2012 - 8:03 PM   
 By:   adamtrons   (Member)

Wow. Cha-ching!$$$ You can get Star Trek: The Original Series - Seasons 1-3 [Blu-ray] for $167 (Run Time: 4120 minutes). So $225 for the score only seems a pretty penny. But I guess La-La Land has to keep the lights on.

 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2012 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Wow. Cha-ching!$$$ You can get Star Trek: The Original Series - Seasons 1-3 [Blu-ray] for $167 (Run Time: 4120 minutes). So $225 for the score only seems a pretty penny. But I guess La-La Land has to keep the lights on.


Don't forget the accompanying 100-page book. What if those Blu-rays were all Digibooks?

THEN what'd you pay?

 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2012 - 8:24 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Wow. Cha-ching!$$$ You can get Star Trek: The Original Series - Seasons 1-3 [Blu-ray] for $167 (Run Time: 4120 minutes). So $225 for the score only seems a pretty penny. But I guess La-La Land has to keep the lights on.

I know you're not being negative, but this is an argument that comes up with some frequency on this board, and I don't understand the comparison. We don't pay per byte of information encoded on disc. This is an economy of scale. The DVDs/Blu-Rays sell vastly more copies, so even if the profit margin per unit is slimmer, multiplied by hundreds of thousands, the profit is there. (The first season of TNG on Blu-Ray sold 92,000 copies just in the first week.) When 6,000 is the most you can sell, you'd better make more on each to make your nut.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2012 - 8:31 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

I'll never trust the Ellensburg Daily Record again!

Yeah. In their defense, this would have been a hard boast to fact-check back in 1987 if there was no credit-memorizing ST fan in the newsroom.

It's been observed at various times that experts in a given field can never read a news article without finding mistakes in it. And they often think, If the field I know is covered so erroneously, maybe the news in general is full of mistakes that I just don't recognize.


As an expert I loved hearing a reporter call flesh eating bacteria virus after calling it bacteria

 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2012 - 9:32 PM   
 By:   adamtrons   (Member)

Wow. Cha-ching!$$$ You can get Star Trek: The Original Series - Seasons 1-3 [Blu-ray] for $167 (Run Time: 4120 minutes). So $225 for the score only seems a pretty penny. But I guess La-La Land has to keep the lights on.

I know you're not being negative, but this is an argument that comes up with some frequency on this board, and I don't understand the comparison. We don't pay per byte of information encoded on disc. This is an economy of scale. The DVDs/Blu-Rays sell vastly more copies, so even if the profit margin per unit is slimmer, multiplied by hundreds of thousands, the profit is there. (The first season of TNG on Blu-Ray sold 92,000 copies just in the first week.) When 6,000 is the most you can sell, you'd better make more on each to make your nut.


SchiffyM no I'm not trying to be negative, I will probably pay the ritzy price and buy it anyway. I just find it ironic that it will cost more to own the music to the series then it does to own the actual complete series on blu-ray (video and music). Let's say the 15 soundtrack CD's each have 70 minutes of music (just guessing here) then you have 1050 minutes of entertainment for $225 as opposed to 4120 minutes of entertainment (from the blu-rays) for $167. If we break it down futher, we are paying approximately .21 cents per minute for the music verses .04 cents per minute of the video and music. I understand your economy of scale argument and that the business needs to make a profit. But I'm looking more at the fair or market value, so to speak. Looking on the internet, I quickly found 15-CD sets and even 20-CD sets of various types of music priced around $50. Of course we can all debate and no one is right or wrong because "Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it" -Jonathan Reeves

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 12:59 AM   
 By:   Beachhead   (Member)

Ouch on the price guys. I gladly put down for the Ron Jones & Dennis McCarthy TNG sets, but I think this is a bit much.

I know, I know, 15 discs, complete score, I have no doubt it will be awesome. Still, ouch.

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 1:19 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Ouch on the price guys. I gladly put down for the Ron Jones & Dennis McCarthy TNG sets, but I think this is a bit much.

I know, I know, 15 discs, complete score, I have no doubt it will be awesome. Still, ouch.





"Ouch"?

Highly illogical.

. . . Beeeee . . . awesome!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 7:19 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Wow. Cha-ching!$$$ You can get Star Trek: The Original Series - Seasons 1-3 [Blu-ray] for $167 (Run Time: 4120 minutes). So $225 for the score only seems a pretty penny. But I guess La-La Land has to keep the lights on.

I just find it ironic that it will cost more to own the music to the series then it does to own the actual complete series on blu-ray (video and music). Let's say the 15 soundtrack CD's each have 70 minutes of music (just guessing here) then you have 1050 minutes of entertainment for $225 as opposed to 4120 minutes of entertainment (from the blu-rays) for $167. If we break it down futher, we are paying approximately .21 cents per minute for the music verses .04 cents per minute of the video and music. I understand your economy of scale argument and that the business needs to make a profit. But I'm looking more at the fair or market value, so to speak. Looking on the internet, I quickly found 15-CD sets and even 20-CD sets of various types of music priced around $50. Of course we can all debate and no one is right or wrong because "Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it" -Jonathan Reeves


As has been said, you're comparing apples to oranges. The Soundtrack CD market is different from the pop music market. Soundtracks are usually limited quantities priced at $20 a cd (why that price, I dunno). The breakdown here is $15/disc which is a blessing considering the content. Now you could argue a blank cd only costs 15 cents, so why should we pay $15? I'm sure someone else could explain that.
Usually people only compare dvd and soundtrack cd prices if the dvd has the score on isolated music channel (again, apples to apples). When the $200, 14-cd Hermann box (with 100 page book) was released, I dont think anyone seriously claimed it was ironic they could get most of the movies in those cheapo Mill Creek dvd sets.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

The price is not really a surprise to me. It was what I was expecting them to price it at. Is it a bit much? Sure. But they know the people who really want it will pay it.

I don't really want this box set. And I don't really think it will sell out fast. So perhaps down the road if its still available and the price is discounted I might get it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   Erik Donovan   (Member)

Ouch, $225.00. Do not know if I am interested anymore.

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Jörn   (Member)

Well, I think for a TRUE Holy Grail 225$ isnt too much.

Of course its a lot of money.
But this set and the music are defenetly worth it!

And hey: Nobody will forced to buy this box!

I was interested in the Herrmann Box too, but in that case I wasnt willing to pay so much money.
For that STAR TREK BOX I will do.

So everyone has his prioritys and favorites.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)



We are now able to officially announce that this 15-CD box set will be released as a limited edition of 6000 units.




So now we've got the figures: 6000 persons are willing to buy a boxset of music.
It's big for the soundtrack market but it's a drop of water in the realm of "Star Trek" aficionados.

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 10:11 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

I'm grateful the price is only $15 per disc. Who knows what the associated costs are for a set bogged down by whatever ailed it for so many years?

Speaking of which, it would be nice if that mysterious ailment was addressed in the booklet. It's certainly now a part of Star Trek music history.

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 10:24 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

While I won't be buying this gargantuan colossus, I am quite interested in the two Fielding scores as well as finally getting to hear the cue in Amok Time when Spock is describing the P'on Far(sp?) to Kirk while the two are in Spock's quarters.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Although it isn't a set I plan on buying ( the series music is cool, but, I'm not that big of a Trek fan, plus my job offer hasn't come through yet ), the price seems very reasonable.

$225 for 15 CDs, a huge box to store them in AND a book...

As opposed to the Spartacus box - another huge elaborate set - this one seems to be better thought out and priced accordingly. It IS a landmark release.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Ouch, $225.00. Do not know if I am interested anymore.

it's approximately the price announced at the onset, so why all the painfully surprised reactions?

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

That averages out to $15 per disc. It really is a fair price--more than fair. We're lucky that prices in this "hobby" have not changed in well over a decade. But apparently film music is the hobby of fear, so it simply must be expressed. And often. wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Speaking of which, it would be nice if that mysterious ailment was addressed in the booklet. It's certainly now a part of Star Trek music history.

Since the party preventing the set has relented, I don't really see why they would choose to call them out for blame in the liner notes.

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

But I'm looking more at the fair or market value, so to speak. Looking on the internet, I quickly found 15-CD sets and even 20-CD sets of various types of music priced around $50.

I don't know what these sets you found are (I didn't find anything of this size for less than $115, but my search was hardly exhaustive), but I'm guessing they're the umpteenth reissues of catalogue recordings, repackaged in a gift set. The costs associated with producing such a set -- the profits in these recordings having been squeezed thinner for decades and decades, the fees and mastering having been paid off years ago -- are a far cry from the costs of doing this "Star Trek" box.

I'm not sure what you mean by fair or market value, but keep in mind that what's expensive about this set is not the plastic the discs are pressed from or the paper for the packaging.

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2012 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

But I'm looking more at the fair or market value, so to speak. Looking on the internet, I quickly found 15-CD sets and even 20-CD sets of various types of music priced around $50.

I don't know what these sets you found are (I didn't find anything of this size for less than $115, but my search was hardly exhaustive), but I'm guessing they're the umpteenth reissues of catalogue recordings, repackaged in a gift set. The costs associated with producing such a set -- the profits in these recordings having been squeezed thinner for decades and decades, the fees and mastering having been paid off years ago -- are a far cry from the costs of doing this "Star Trek" box.

I'm not sure what you mean by fair or market value, but keep in mind that what's expensive about this set is not the plastic the discs are pressed from or the paper for the packaging.


Agreed, I'm not sure people are really understanding that LaLa Land is a small niche label and the massive amount of money, time and effort it costs to cover license fees, mastering, production, paying the guys who work on these sets and more. This isn't f*cking Sony Music label, people. The small group who produce these sets need to keep the label in business and also pay rent, put food on the table, etc etc. These guys don't produce these sets out of pure kindness. They love it, but it's still a business and an expensive one at that. I will never understanding the bitching and whining that happens here by people who have absolutely no idea how much money and back-breaking work is expended on these albums to bring them at a price which may not even help the label break even. It can be a small fortune to produce a set such as this. Talk about an ungrateful crowd who apparently expect all items they want to cost them only pennies.

 
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