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I just find it ironic that it will cost more to own the music to the series then it does to own the actual complete series on blu-ray (video and music). Let's say the 15 soundtrack CD's each have 70 minutes of music (just guessing here) then you have 1050 minutes of entertainment for $225 as opposed to 4120 minutes of entertainment (from the blu-rays) for $167. If we break it down futher, we are paying approximately .21 cents per minute for the music verses .04 cents per minute of the video and music. I understand your economy of scale argument and that the business needs to make a profit. But I'm looking more at the fair or market value, so to speak. Looking on the internet, I quickly found 15-CD sets and even 20-CD sets of various types of music priced around $50. Of course we can all debate and no one is right or wrong because "Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it" -Jonathan Reeves Keep in mind that the Blu-Ray sets are not nearly the first release of the series. Back in the 80's, if you wanted the entire series you paid over $1000 on Columbia House VHS (thanks to their insane postage costs), $1140 for the laserdiscs, $1185 for the series on individual tapes, and $760 for the individual DVDs before the box sets started making them a bit less expensive. Jeez, I've spent way too much on Star Trek. And, to be fair, as others have said we did always know the ballpark figure and the official notice is right on target. It should be a surprise to no one. When this box set is on its 4th release, then I'd expect it to be really cheap.
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Here's an alternative musical offering of a 172-CD set for $237.45, new. That's about $1.30 a disc. Nice packaging too. And over 400 pages of notes in two books. Of course, it's not Mullendore or Kaplan, but what does one expect for just a little over one-dollar-a-disc? Shipping is... $2.98. http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Works-Johann-Sebastian-Bach/dp/B003LR4QPE/ref=pd_sim_m_7 OK, this is totally not even the same thing. I'm not even sure if Bach is even still licensed, but the licensing costs for a TV show, let alone a franchise like Star Trek, are way higher than producing an album of Bach. Aside from the time and labor of organzing, ordering, restoring and transferring old reels. You people need to stop expecting things for free. You're only a step away from the people who freeload the things off bittorrent.
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In my version of the perfect world, LLL would have left out the unused music that we've never heard before, and thus the set would be smaller and so forth. But I will still buy this thing with great eagerness.
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The price point is high, but absolutely worth it. 15 CDs of music, most of which has never been released, a good portion never even heard, giving us everything there is for the original Star Trek. This is it. After this, there is no holy grail Star Trek TOS music. To me, this is more than the music in-and-of-itself. It is the music of a cultural icon, and a true national treasure.
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Folks, $225 is indeed a lot of money but then again this is also a lot of CDs and a lot of great music. I'm in! I sympathise if you know the value of this set and it's just that your financial circumstances are a problem. I really sympathise. However, if it's just that you don't know the value of this set, then I don't sympathise at all. And for that minority (admittedly, hardly anyone here) from this internet generation who wants everything for nothing: Why don't we all vote for this by going to work tomorrow and telling our employers: hey, I want to live in a free world, so you don't have to pay me any more. Cheers
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Sep 9, 2012 - 3:06 AM
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adamtrons
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Wow. Cha-ching!$$$ You can get Star Trek: The Original Series - Seasons 1-3 [Blu-ray] for $167 (Run Time: 4120 minutes). So $225 for the score only seems a pretty penny. But I guess La-La Land has to keep the lights on. I just find it ironic that it will cost more to own the music to the series then it does to own the actual complete series on blu-ray (video and music). Let's say the 15 soundtrack CD's each have 70 minutes of music (just guessing here) then you have 1050 minutes of entertainment for $225 as opposed to 4120 minutes of entertainment (from the blu-rays) for $167. If we break it down futher, we are paying approximately .21 cents per minute for the music verses .04 cents per minute of the video and music. I understand your economy of scale argument and that the business needs to make a profit. But I'm looking more at the fair or market value, so to speak. Looking on the internet, I quickly found 15-CD sets and even 20-CD sets of various types of music priced around $50. Of course we can all debate and no one is right or wrong because "Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it" -Jonathan Reeves As has been said, you're comparing apples to oranges. The Soundtrack CD market is different from the pop music market. Soundtracks are usually limited quantities priced at $20 a cd (why that price, I dunno). The breakdown here is $15/disc which is a blessing considering the content. Now you could argue a blank cd only costs 15 cents, so why should we pay $15? I'm sure someone else could explain that. Usually people only compare dvd and soundtrack cd prices if the dvd has the score on isolated music channel (again, apples to apples). When the $200, 14-cd Hermann box (with 100 page book) was released, I dont think anyone seriously claimed it was ironic they could get most of the movies in those cheapo Mill Creek dvd sets. But we’re not talking Mill Creek DVD’s, we’re talking Paramount remastered, highest quality blu-ray rays, video and audio for the entire series for less than the soundtrack. Hey, if you’re wealthy and you can afford it, then good for you. But some of us are middle class and $225 is expensive. You claim I’m comparing apples and oranges. Yes, the video program and the isolated soundtrack are two different things, but in general the actual video program is usually worth more than the music. It still doesn’t make sense to me that the video containing the actors performances, special effects, audio, etc. is less expensive than the isolated music. Yes it is ironic, weather you can wrap your head around and it and admit it or not. No one is asking something for nothing or for free (you are putting words into our mouths), but I think we are asking for it to at least be a reasonable price. Have I done the math right? 6000 units X $225 = $1,350,000
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Wow. Cha-ching!$$$ You can get Star Trek: The Original Series - Seasons 1-3 [Blu-ray] for $167 (Run Time: 4120 minutes). So $225 for the score only seems a pretty penny. But I guess La-La Land has to keep the lights on. Yes, and the Blu-Rays will probably sell 100,000 copies or more worldwide, whereas the CDs will sell 6,000. It's a lot easier to mark the price down and keep the lights on when you're selling in much greater quantities. Cheers
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The price of the boxset is a good bargain because we're talking about 15 CD's. Further more, the production values are very high because it's a collector's item: we'll double-check it this winter. I'm eager to read and discover the liner notes for the project (scores, composers, historical context, artistical leaning). I intend to buy it because of three factors: 1. Jerry Fielding—I'm eager to read the liner notes about him. 2. 1960's television music 3. the production values
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Sep 9, 2012 - 5:47 AM
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CrazyQuark
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For what it's worth, I'm still looking forward to it. And as much as I like box sets like this (and the chance to get this all in one go) I can't help but wonder why they still do these super big sets, after all the complaints about prices from previous releases like that. Recently, when the new Batman TAS music-set was released, MV stated they would do another volume and they would also play around with the idea of providing a box (either coming with Vol.3 or sold seperately) where you could place Vol.1 ~ 3. I though that was the perfect solution! Someone like me can still have great looking boxsets, while not paying a huge a mount of money in one go. And splitting up the TOS-music in several volumes wouldn't be much of a problem, or would it? I'd probably do three volumes which each contain the original scores composed for the respective season and then some sort of forth "bonus" volume which would contain all library cues + source music and stuff like that. That forth volume could come with the box for everything, but probably at lower numbers since I'd suspect that most people are interested in getting the original scores, but the library cues might not be on everyone's holy grail list. This approach seems the most fan-friendly to me, but whatever. I'm in either way.
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Sep 9, 2012 - 7:23 AM
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TerraEpon
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Yes, the video program and the isolated soundtrack are two different things, but in general the actual video program is usually worth more than the music. It still doesn’t make sense to me that the video containing the actors performances, special effects, audio, etc. is less expensive than the isolated music. Yes it is ironic, weather you can wrap your head around and it and admit it or not. No one is asking something for nothing or for free (you are putting words into our mouths), but I think we are asking for it to at least be a reasonable price. It's a simple matter of economics, supple & demand, the long tail, or however you want to look at it. Far far far more people will buy the video, so they can price it much cheaper to make the optimum profit. You also have to add on to the fact that this is a 3rd party company -- Paramount doesn't have to pay itself for the privilege of releasing the discs.
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