And did you get my email about a certain film we have been talking about for rather a long time .....?
Good GOD James...please don't tease like that unless you are serious. I almost choked on my lunch. A certain film Preston has been talking with people about for a rather a long time could really only mean one thing...that certain film which Preston wrote a certain excellent book about. If this is somehow happening it will make my decade.
Yavar
My renewed enthusiasm for throwing money away knows no bounds!!!
Can someone provide the website again for where I can place an order?
I stopped buying into City of Crap....I mean Prague. The rehash hash of miss matched notes..I stopped long time ago, over 10 years ago buying from these saps. I do not support poorly performed Orchestras. If you like an Orchestra that truly cannot keep up, City of Prague is your best bet. And no matter the Conductor (must be 100% Deaf) The City of Grinding to a Halt cannot keep up with the Williams, Barry, or Goldsmith's Styles.
Clearly you haven't bothered to discover these, since you stopped buying City of Prague recordings over a decade ago, but just in case you're willing to open your ears, why don't you give these two videos a listen and THEN tell me that they "cannot keep up with" Barry or Goldsmith:
Look, I used to really look down on CoPP recordings as well...in the 90s. Slow tempos, wrong notes, and other performance issues. But it's 2017 now. They've got better players and more experience under their belts. The City of Prague Philharmonic is clearly now a world-class film music ensemble. If you can't tell that from the above two YouTube videos well then I guess there's not much point in continuing this discourse with you...
Can someone provide the website again for where I can place an order?
I stopped buying into City of Crap....I mean Prague. The rehash hash of miss matched notes..I stopped long time ago, over 10 years ago buying from these saps. I do not support poorly performed Orchestras. If you like an Orchestra that truly cannot keep up, City of Prague is your best bet. And no matter the Conductor (must be 100% Deaf) The City of Grinding to a Halt cannot keep up with the Williams, Barry, or Goldsmith's Styles.
Clearly you haven't bothered to discover these, since you stopped buying City of Prague recordings over a decade ago, but just in case you're willing to open your ears, why don't you give these two videos a listen and THEN tell me that they "cannot keep up with" Barry or Goldsmith:
Look, I used to really look down on CoPP recordings as well...in the 90s. Slow tempos, wrong notes, and other performance issues. But it's 2017 now. They've got better players and more experience under their belts. The City of Prague Philharmonic is clearly now a world-class film music ensemble. If you can't tell that from the above two YouTube videos well then I guess there's not much point in continuing this discourse with you...
Yavar
Yavar please don't rise to his fully intended bait! Best to ignore him to leave him as a lone voice crying the the film score wilderness!
My renewed enthusiasm for throwing money away knows no bounds!!!
You are really being cruel now if NIGHT OF THE HUNTER is not happening...please don't be cruel....
But where did this renewed enthusiasm come from? Were sales of THRILLER just that much better than expected?
Yavar please don't rise to his fully intended bait! Best to ignore him to leave him as a lone voice crying the the film score wilderness!
Well I decided to take him at his word that he hadn't heard a CoPP recording in well over a decade, which could certainly explain his point of view. If there was even a 2% chance of him revising his (very rudely expressed) opinion I felt it was worth it to try. I mean seriously, I'm a picky man when it comes to new recordings of classic scores. But those great videos from Mister Moses and The Salamander in particular show -- to him as well as everyone reading the thread -- that his complaints are wildly outdated. Besides, I need very little excuse to keep posting those. They're just so awesome. I would instantly plop down $50 to get similar videos of every cue from The Salamander or the even more impressive QB VII...
And did you get my email about a certain film we have been talking about for rather a long time .....?
Good GOD James...please don't tease like that unless you are serious. I almost choked on my lunch. A certain film Preston has been talking with people about for a rather a long time could really only mean one thing...that certain film which Preston wrote a certain excellent book about. If this is somehow happening it will make my decade.
Yavar
My renewed enthusiasm for throwing money away knows no bounds!!!
Yikes! James, you and Preston talking about a certain film (score) for a long time? Sounds most intriguing! No need to say anything further at this point, please try your best.
By the way, I'm 100% happy with all the Tadlow recordings, they could not be done any better! Just ignore the occasional idiot that might wander onto this board.
And did you get my email about a certain film we have been talking about for rather a long time .....?
Good GOD James...please don't tease like that unless you are serious. I almost choked on my lunch. A certain film Preston has been talking with people about for a rather a long time could really only mean one thing...that certain film which Preston wrote a certain excellent book about. If this is somehow happening it will make my decade.
Yavar
My renewed enthusiasm for throwing money away knows no bounds!!!
Yikes! James, you and Preston talking about a certain film (score) for a long time? Sounds most intriguing! No need to say anything further at this point, please try your best.
By the way, I'm 100% happy with all the Tadlow recordings, they could not be done any better! Just ignore the occasional idiot that might wander onto this board.
As we say "Up North" Wazzocks will be Wazzocks....and that gentlemen above making rather vulgar and very hurtful comments is certainly a prime Wazzock par excellence!!!
I admire him. There are too many 'gushing' reviews; too few honest opinions.
Not following you here, pp312. Is my love for this CD dishonest to you?
Of course not, as you well know. I was talking about contra as well as pro--those with reservations expressing them, those with no reservations expressing that too. And I must say, the chap running down Tadlow is exactly the kind of criticism I didn't have in mind--the 'this is all bloody horrible' kind. No orchestra/conductor is going to please everyone all the time, but I must agree the Prague has played itself into a totally different orchestra over the years. How anyone can level such blanket criticism at an orchestra that has put out something like Taras Bulba--so difficult to play, so well done--is just ridiculous. And that's just one of so many recent examples. Surely this person is a troll of the worst kind.
I must agree the Prague has played itself into a totally different orchestra over the years.
I was thinking only the other day how the Moscow Symphony had also improved their film music performances and sound so dramatically, under Stromberg and Morgan (and more specifically, for their Tribute projects)... and how sad it is that their experience and improvements have been going to waste for several years now. I think there's little or nothing to choose between the best Moscow and Prague performances, though I must admit a slight general preference for the less dry sound of the Tribute recordings. Great news that a Volume 2 of Thriller is coming!
"And on the day of release we had sold over 1000 copies..... so volume 2 already in the works .....with more of the same"
My local dealer hasn't sent me my copy yet, so I haven't heard it, but even so, James, your announcement of the next volume is the best news I've heard all year. I thank you from the bottom of my adolescent, 1961 heart.
And did you get my email about a certain film we have been talking about for rather a long time .....?
I would like to apologize to you for the cruel and unjustified criticisms that have been leveled against the City of Prague Philharmonic Orchestra. It has become increasingly disturbing how some participants here will act with no other purpose than to spoil the enjoyment of others.
With the much awaited 'Duel In The Sun' due to arrive shortly we can already hear the knives being sharpened.
I would like to apologize to you for the cruel and unjustified criticisms that have been leveled against the City of Prague Philharmonic Orchestra. It has become increasingly disturbing how some participants here will act with no other purpose than to spoil the enjoyment of others.
With the much awaited 'Duel In The Sun' due to arrive shortly we can already hear the knives being sharpened.
Please find it your heart to forgive us.
Certainly.....nothing to forgive exceot for the remarks of one.
I am all for constructive criticism and debate. But cruel and very hurtful name calling under the cloak of anonymity is what can give a discussion group like this a bad name. Fair enough to air ones views but no need to be spiteful.
Fortunately at the beginning of this very thread we have an example of politely expressed disappointment, followed by James politely accepting the criticism. A model for us all.
And I note with pleasure that the impolite individual has not replied with more negativity, so I wonder whether he may have been impressed after all by the incredibly crisp playing of the musicians on Mister Moses. Seriously, James, the percussionists on that score deserve a medal. I love the end of the piece when we see how precise they are when everything has dropped out but percussion.
Fortunately at the beginning of this very thread we have an example of politely expressed disappointment, followed by James politely accepting the criticism. A model for us all.
And I note with pleasure that the impolite individual has not replied with more negativity, so I wonder whether he may have been impressed after all by the incredibly crisp playing of the musicians on Mister Moses. Seriously, James, the percussionists on that score deserve a medal. I love the end of the piece when we see how precise they are when everything has dropped out but percussion.
Yavar
As I said before Yavar ...do not rise to his very intentional bait .... you will never win!
First, I must thank Nic Raine , James Fitzpatrick and Leigh Phillips as well as The City of Prague Philharmonic Orchestra for their outstanding contributions in releasing this music. This was, for me, the very first time I'd heard any of this music that Jerry Goldsmith wrote so long ago, early in his career. And I do love Goldsmith's music, very much. But, this album just didn't 'involve' me somehow. I'm no expert, I listened to the music, EAGER and WANTING to like it on it's initial spin, but it just didn't happen. I'm almost certain to be the ONLY person with these feelings about it, but I honestly checked to see if I had the player on 'shuffle', but it was not. O.K., you can hate me if you guys want, but this was my opinion. The one track I did enjoy, was 'MR. GEORGE' (Suite).
Right then, I've heard this now about four times, so I still consider my comments "first impressions". At first I must admit that I was vaguely disappointed at the total absence of staccato piano and rapid bursts of militaristic snare drums. What a dumbo. THRILLER wasn't that kind of show, or at least the episodes represented didn't call for that. Or more to the point, Jerry Goldsmith didn't write for staccato piano and snare drum in those episodes.
I'd seen quite a few of the episodes a long time ago, and have recently rewatched the ones covered on the new Tadlow disc. The tone of the show was quite largely unique, in that it very often centred on old-dark house creepiness - a kind of cobwebby antiquity - or downright scary supernatural stories which evoked, for me at least, the kind of dread inherent in the black and white comics of the '60s, specifically Warren Publishing's "Creepy". Other episodes would feature murder and revenge but often in a period setting, having got rid of the "realistic" gangster settings of the first few shows. So what did Goldsmith do? He scored the episodes in a way which perfectly reinforced the doom, the dread, the gloom, and even the charm of the settings.
Oh, can I go out for a pizza? Will be back soon after a pizza and a gallon of formaldehyde. Seeya! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That was good, if hurried. Anyway, I get the feeling that the very particular tone of the show brought out an equally appropriate musical response from the composer - which isn't to say that there's no diversity, because there's a lot - but in general I don't hear a tremendous amount of stuff which would later make an appearance in JG's extensive toolbox. Sounds, some musical devices, yes of course, unavoidably so. But the THRILLER scores really are quite apart in a way from the majority of later scores. I wonder if this is why Montana Dave finds it hard to connect with it... Dave, have you given it another shot? You liked "Mr. George", but for me that's the one which has echoes right through the composer's career, at least until the '80s with POLTERGEIST and GREMLINS to name only two.
I don't even hear a lot of later-Goldsmith in the beautiful pastoral material and the lovely little faux-English folk tunes employed on occasion. So perhaps in this case a familiarity with the show itself is a help. It usually is anyway, in order to have a context, but in this case more so. I can fully undertand how a Goldsmith fan may not entirely "get" the music on this release. Some of it may be difficult to get a handle on. How to assimilate the lumbering music associated with Richard Kiel (in 1961) without really knowing what "Well of Doom" deals with for example. Actually, that lumbering music for Kiel is a bit like Bernard Herrmann being strangled slowly underwater by a shoal of tubas. It's grindingly trudgeworthy.
You know, I do believe I have rabbitted enough. What a lot of incoherence. I'll post it anyway then regret it later. That's real life. One more thing - I have so far only been able to appreciate this CD loudly through good-quality headphones. With the juxtaposition of heavily growling brass attacks and very delicate harpsichord pieces I can't really get the appropriate volume on the big stereo system without annoying the neighbours. So I blast it through my phones until I'm deaf. The sound really does have to be cranked up so that the loud bits are loud enough and the quiet bits are audible at all. One more advantage of headphones is that I can actually hear the musicians taking a deep breath before each horn onslought. I love that. It makes it human, organic. Those are real people doing all that.
One final comment, and it's about the performance. In some ways I think it's doubly complicated for a re-recording to find favour with film music nutmegs. Not only do we have to like the music itself and the selections chosen, we tend to scrutinise the playing as if we were some kind of Olympic judges evaluating the performance of a team of synchronised swimmers, or a gymnast or something. "Oh and she was doing so brilliantly and now just a slight teeter to the left on the parallel bar, what a pity, she's lost, 9 point 9, better luck in four years time."
THRILLER then. This really is very, very good indeed.
And did you get my email about a certain film we have been talking about for rather a long time .....?
Good GOD James...please don't tease like that unless you are serious. I almost choked on my lunch. A certain film Preston has been talking with people about for a rather a long time could really only mean one thing...that certain film which Preston wrote a certain excellent book about. If this is somehow happening it will make my decade.
Yavar
I won't mention the name of the film either in fear that that beautiful "dream bubble" of wishful thinking will burst. I swear to buy 5 copies to make up for 4 people who would not purchase it.
And did you get my email about a certain film we have been talking about for rather a long time .....?
Good GOD James...please don't tease like that unless you are serious. I almost choked on my lunch. A certain film Preston has been talking with people about for a rather a long time could really only mean one thing...that certain film which Preston wrote a certain excellent book about. If this is somehow happening it will make my decade.
Yavar
I won't mention the name of the film either in fear that that beautiful "dream bubble" of wishful thinking will burst. I swear to buy 5 copies to make up for 4 people who would not purchase it.
Cody, are you, I and Yavar the only ones to catch James' possible hint? Without mentioning titles, perhaps James will tell us if there is a (slight) chance for another Tadlow CD? (Besides the forthcoming BEN HUR and THRILLER 2.)
You know, if all of us bought say 3 copies of every Tadlow release, James could continue!
And did you get my email about a certain film we have been talking about for rather a long time .....?
Good GOD James...please don't tease like that unless you are serious. I almost choked on my lunch. A certain film Preston has been talking with people about for a rather a long time could really only mean one thing...that certain film which Preston wrote a certain excellent book about. If this is somehow happening it will make my decade.
Yavar
I won't mention the name of the film either in fear that that beautiful "dream bubble" of wishful thinking will burst. I swear to buy 5 copies to make up for 4 people who would not purchase it.
Cody, are you, I and Yavar the only ones to catch James' possible hint?
PFK, Perhaps it is people away from the board for this holiday weekend. I truly hope that the same people who made THRILLER a Tadlow success will make my "dream bubble" score a similar success, if not even better.
And did you get my email about a certain film we have been talking about for rather a long time .....?
Good GOD James...please don't tease like that unless you are serious. I almost choked on my lunch. A certain film Preston has been talking with people about for a rather a long time could really only mean one thing...that certain film which Preston wrote a certain excellent book about. If this is somehow happening it will make my decade.
Yavar
I won't mention the name of the film either in fear that that beautiful "dream bubble" of wishful thinking will burst. I swear to buy 5 copies to make up for 4 people who would not purchase it.
Cody, are you, I and Yavar the only ones to catch James' possible hint?
PFK, Perhaps it is people away from the board for this holiday weekend. I truly hope that the same people who made THRILLER a Tadlow success will make my "dream bubble" score a similar success, if not even better.
