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 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 5:50 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

BTW another one that Varèse has in perpetuity is Silvestri's The Abyss. I emailed MV once about that and he said no can do because of that.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 5:50 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

Edit: Double post.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

That stinks, I would kill for an expanded & remastered The Abyss!!

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

I've updated the main post with all titles posted so far.

I think there is a thread on either this board or Intrada's message board where Doug or Roger confirms that Varese has Robocop 2 and 3 in perpetuity. I'll try to find it.

Keep 'em coming!

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

Where to begin?

Do any of these scores warrant anything more than an 80 minute release? Let's take an example of a 'merely expanded' score such as Total Recall. Is any noteworthy music missing from that particular CD? Would a longer release be that much better?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for longer releases, but to suggest that something that is practically doubled in length is 'merely expanded' seems a triffle fanboyish to say to.

And releasing a double CD of Star Trek doesn't seem such screw up to me. Just my opinion of course.

Robert Townson is doing a fine job at Varese and even the most superficial glance at his work attests to that. We should all be lucky enough to have presided over any of his 'screw ups'.

Fanboys! roll eyes



Well said!!

I'm particularly bemused at the constant requests for a 'complete' release of 'The Omen' on here. The Varese Deluxe is a fine release in my eyes and ears, but of course it's missing that 45 second choral cue that means it's not complete. And people must have that!

I recently bought a copy of 'Total Recall Deluxe' as well (one of the few 'action' scores I can abide), and I see no reason why it would need any other release. There's more than enough music on there.

I have no interest in 'Star Trek' , so I can't comment if it was screwed up or not. But I do remember people saying the packaging didn't fit on their shelves.....roll eyes

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

I've updated the main post with all titles posted so far.

I think there is a thread on either this board or Intrada's message board where Doug or Roger confirms that Varese has Robocop 2 and 3 in perpetuity. I'll try to find it.

Keep 'em coming!


I can confirm it

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Thanks MV! I actually just found the post on Intrada's Forum where Roger confirms it as well: http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=38441#p38441

Any idea about Horner's Aliens, Goldsmith's Total Recall, or Goldsmith's Omen trilogy?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 7:50 AM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

What about John Barry's "Peggy Sue Got Married"? I definitely hope Varese does not control it anymore - this score needs an expanded release badly.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

Too bad, I was hoping for an Expanded EXECUTIVE DECISION by La La Land.

Me too.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

Too bad, I was hoping for an Expanded EXECUTIVE DECISION by La La Land.

Me too.


I asked about this one a while back. Bummer indeed.

But what is MOST important to me on this subject is the fact that Varese does NOT own Psycho II in perpetuity, and that pleases me. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 8:37 AM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

What about Outbreak (1995) by James Newton Howard?

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   The REAL BJBien   (Member)

Where to begin?

Do any of these scores warrant anything more than an 80 minute release? Let's take an example of a 'merely expanded' score such as Total Recall. Is any noteworthy music missing from that particular CD? Would a longer release be that much better?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for longer releases, but to suggest that something that is practically doubled in length is 'merely expanded' seems a triffle fanboyish to say to.

And releasing a double CD of Star Trek doesn't seem such screw up to me. Just my opinion of course.

Robert Townson is doing a fine job at Varese and even the most superficial glance at his work attests to that. We should all be lucky enough to have presided over any of his 'screw ups'.

Fanboys! roll eyes



Well said!!

I'm particularly bemused at the constant requests for a 'complete' release of 'The Omen' on here. The Varese Deluxe is a fine release in my eyes and ears, but of course it's missing that 45 second choral cue that means it's not complete. And people must have that!

I recently bought a copy of 'Total Recall Deluxe' as well (one of the few 'action' scores I can abide), and I see no reason why it would need any other release. There's more than enough music on there.

I have no interest in 'Star Trek' , so I can't comment if it was screwed up or not. But I do remember people saying the packaging didn't fit on their shelves.....roll eyes


FANBOYS? Are you serious?

Lets look at some facts.

Intrada released PREDATOR with no more music then the VS release and it sold out and this would lead one to believe that there is just as much demand for PREDATOR 2 especially since that title is over 15 years old.

Intrada released ROBOCOP even though you can own 2 VS Editions with two various album edits of your choice, and again this sold out leading one to believe that ROBOCOP 2 and 3 could certainly get some love and considering how short and long ago both those albums were released, it could certainly do well enough.

Lala Land released DIE HARD and it sold out rather quickly and it is pretty impressive considering it was pressed at 3,500 so considering Kamen's re-release are rather slim [rectified by Intrada's double header!], certainly DIE HARD 2 and 3 could you use an expansion as they are rather superior to the original.

COMMANDO sold out as well already having had a VS release as did LINK so clearly people don't mind buying expanded or even improved audio quality of 80s scores.

Now not for nothing but I'm more then certain LALA LAND and INTRADA would if allowed release all the following titles but they cannot and this is what makes it in my eyes a "screw up" and it doesn't help that other labels reply "Sorry guys, we would love to release this title but VS owns it in perpetuity."

I am grateful along with others that they albums got a release in the first place but the more I think about it if they had not been, perhaps any of the labels could have released a world premier so it is a double edge sword.

VS isn't perfect but if they have no interest in releasing DIE HARD 2 and 3, why not let LALA LAND? Why not let Intrada release PREDATOR 2?

I'm more then certain that all these titles would sell as well if not better then the following VS Club titles like SCREAM, MY DEMON LOVER and MIDWAY.

It isn't like these are obscure titles either or titles that one could feel are risky or uncertain. The demand is there.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

But what is MOST important to me on this subject is the fact that Varese does NOT own Psycho II in perpetuity, and that pleases me. smile

This list doesn't say that, in fact. It only states the ones that have been confirmed that they DO. I have no idea if they have Psycho II in perpetuity or not! Maybe MV, Roger, or Doug could find out.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

Maestro LeBlanc,

To help you with this list, (and from what I understand), Varese was smart enough to get perp rights on most of the NEW titles they did in the 1990's. I know this to be the case with Fox and Sony. . .most likely with Universal, Dreamworks and Warners as well.

SO, if you were to do a list of ALL the titles Varese released from 1990 to 1999 you will get a real good idea as to what titles they control from now until whenever.

You can also toss on the original Planet of the Apes by Mr. Goldsmith

MV

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Great, I'll get to work on sorting a list of all NEW titles they released in the 90s, by studios. Thanks!

And thanks for the POTA head's up as well!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   richuk   (Member)

Maestro LeBlanc,

To help you with this list, (and from what I understand), Varese was smart enough to get perp rights on most of the NEW titles they did in the 1990's.
MV


Odd definition of 'smart' there razz

IMO there's nothing smart about holding onto the rights for 2 decades' worth of popular scores and not having them flowing out the door 15-20 years later.

Even if they have one 'Deluxe Edition' per batch, it will take them years to reissue their back catalogue.

To address those 'fanboy' comments, it's not unreasonable to want all of the music from your favourite score... and a lot of them need 2 CDs.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Oscarilbo   (Member)

Great, I'll get to work on sorting a list of all NEW titles they released in the 90s, by studios. Thanks!

And thanks for the POTA head's up as well!


why don't we do something to start moving the wheels on those releases??? I mean... we could write to VS and let them know the market is more than ready for them, asking them do not forget those titles for our market. I was hoping complete treatments for some of them such as Starship Troopers, Small Soldiers, The Matrix trilogy, Congo, The Haunting, and other from Dreamworks were already in the works.

Damn!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   kossjak   (Member)

Great thread!
Thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   kossjak   (Member)

Great thread!
Thanks!

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2012 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)


why don't we do something to start moving the wheels on those releases??? I mean... we could write to VS and let them know the market is more than ready for them, asking them do not forget those titles for our market. I was hoping complete treatments for some of them such as Starship Troopers, Small Soldiers, The Matrix trilogy, Congo, The Haunting, and other from Dreamworks were already in the works.

Damn!




Varese does not own the rights to the Matrix sequels at all (Warner Brothers released the scores themselves) , and we don't know if they own the rights to the first one in perpetuity or not.

But I agree some sort of write-in campaign could be a good idea. Maybe we could pick one title a quarter and organize some kind of write-in to Varese about that title throughout the quarter?

 
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