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 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

WATERHOLE no. 3 ..Damn Dialogue ruins the awesome Grusin Score.
Re-recording of SPIRIT OF ST.LOUIS ....Damn Dialogue ruins the awesome Waxmann score

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 5:02 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

RETURN OF THE JEDI was a huge disappointment. No musical/symphonic flow, no development, strange and unfortunate selection of clues, apart from the fact that it was only a single LP album. So I agree with that choice.


I'll add my vote for Return of the Jedi.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 5:05 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Vangelis' Blade Runner album. Not only was it twelve years late, it mislabeled the titles, omitted the best music, included music not even heard in the film and sprinkled dialogue clips all over it. There are some things impossible to forgive and Vangelis' disdain for his best score and his fans ranks high on my shitlist.

I very much enjoy that album for what it is on its own, though I agree it's not the best representation of the music. Probably my favorite cue by Vangelis is the Main Title for BLADE RUNNER, and it's not even on the realeae. (The BSX recording by Edgar Rothermich is an excellent presentation of the film score.)

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

This may have been mentioned, but Goldsmith's RANSOM was a sad LP, with 3 tracks printed twice, and tinny sound. The tapes are apparently AWOL, so the LP is all we have now.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   AndrewH   (Member)

I did check to see if I had responded previously - but couldn't find a post.

It may be sacrilege around here but "The Spy Who Loved Me" is up there amongst the worst.

It's an ok listen - as a standalone album - but not a true representation of the movie soundtrack.

Nobody Does It Better is ok - though the single version -not the movie version.
Bond 77 - It's now a standard but just a representation of some action cues.
Ride To Atlantis - It's ok but not the version in the movie.
Mojave Club - Just a background track
Nobody Does It Better - Instrumental - It's a lovely version but seems to be there for Marvin Hamlisch to show off his piano skills.
Anya - What even is this? Did it even appear? Dreary.
The Tanker - Probably my favourite track on the album. Seems close to the movie version.
Pyramids/Eastern Lights/Conclusion - Just a bit meh for me.
End Title - Nobody Does it Better - Nothing special.

The irony is that that the soundtrack received an Oscar nomination - which I would hope be because of the music in the actual movie, not the album. Though I think the nomination was largely due to Hamlisch being current flavour of the month after "The Way We Were"

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

... I think the nomination was largely due to Hamlisch being current flavour of the month after "The Way We Were"

Yes, I think it hits three of the big unrelated-to-the-score Oscar nomination bonuses:

1. Hamlisch being current flavour of the month
2. A popular opening song
3. A well known, and great, set of themes for the series

Any one of those can push a single score into the memorable lane, which can be all that's needed for a nomination, let alone a win.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Paul et Virginie

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 8:33 AM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

Lethal Weapon 2.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

My entries for this valid, and in no way essentially 'bitchy', topic would have been the one-two punch of '83 & '84.

In '83 I was aware that something about the single album Return of the Jedi was more frustrating than it should have been. Yes, a single album was already a bad move (regardless of whose decision it was - sorry record producers, but composers aren't holy, and prerogatives don't make them right on every question, certainly not this one. That's not how the universe works). But for some reason, the album itself didn't even register as being as good as any of the four individual LPs from the previous two pictures' double LP sets. I haven't listened to the album since that wonderful 1993 box set replaced it, so this is from memory, but I recall calculating that about half of the available music was source (two songs) and concert pieces (Luke and Leia, Parade of the Ewoks, the Jabba's theme part of Solo's rescue, most of Finale, and the opening and closing Star Wars themes we already had twice, by then). That left about 25 minutes of original film music, stuff that played when things were happening on screen, underscore. That's what the was; not that it felt like half a release, but it didn't really feel like a soundtrack release at all.

Then a year later, we got the much maligned, and appropriately so, Gremlins mini-LP.



16 minutes of film music. 16. Mind you, it's 16 nice minutes, it sounded great, and for what it had to be, they were even decent cue-combos, to play like a Twilight Zone: The Movie suite, but Gremlins wasn't a 25 minute segment of that film. It was such an inexcusable decision.

We've been in such a great space for so long, now.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

The worst album presentation has to be 'RAIN MAN' by Perseverance Records, I felt soooo tricked on this one. Worst sounding cd in my collection. When NoteforNote rereleased this with good sound, I didn't care and I missed it. Here's hoping it gets available again, I would love to own a good copy.

Also, I don't get what they tried with 'HANNIBAL'. This is one of best Hans Zimmer scores and it's ruined by dialogue and that jump scare that comes from nowhere at the end of the disc. Even knowing this is coming, I still get frightened!

And what about 'GEORGE OF THE JUNGLE' by Marc Shaiman? Or 'MULAN' by Jerry Goldsmith? And 'BLACK PANTHER' by Ludwig Göransson or 'HER' by Arcade Fire still unreleased on album cd?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

K2 or Pacific Heights or Suspect comes to mind.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


Then a year later, we got the much maligned, and appropriately so, Gremlins mini-LP.
16 minutes of film music. 16. Mind you, it's 16 nice minutes, it sounded great, and for what it had to be, they were even decent cue-combos, to play like a Twilight Zone: The Movie suite, but Gremlins wasn't a 25 minute segment of that film. It was such an inexcusable decision.


Agreed, and this one probably sticks out more because the film was so beloved... but that same year another Goldsmith score (The Lonely Guy) was also afforded a "mini-LP" with even less score!

Both of those though were kinda hybrid soundtrack albums, with non-Goldsmith songs mixed in. There are a lot of releases out there like that of course, like the first two Free Willy scores by Basil Poledouris. If those count, I'm gonna nominate Free Willy 2. Because that score is actually a huge improvement over its (already good) predecessor, but you wouldn't know it from the soundtrack album, which only included three cues totaling 10.5 minutes! At least the original score got almost half an hour of score on a release with a bunch of songs, and it covered literally all the highlights of the score. Free Willy 2 has over an hour of great orchestral score in the movie, with wonderful new themes, great development of the original film's thematic material, and a more acoustic sound, with real orchestral sweep to the themes... and nobody has a clue how good this score is because only 10.5 minutes was released. Not on a "mini LP" even. On a full size album that decided to include just three score cues from one of Poledouris's best scores. And the worst part is I fear an expansion may never even happen.

For a Goldsmith pure score album I'll echo the earlier suggestion of Ransom. Terrible sound in general. Half the LP accidentally in mono. Tons of score missing. And to add insult to injury, three cues repeated for no reason! So frustrating.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

... but that same year another Goldsmith score (The Lonely Guy) was also afforded a "mini-LP" with even less score! Both of those though were kinda hybrid soundtrack albums, with non-Goldsmith songs mixed in. There are a lot of releases out there like that of course...

Yes, the hybrid thing also happened with Explorers and Innerspace, but those at least weren't also mini-LPs. I'd forgotten Lonely Guy, which I found on LP in the mid-'00s, was also a mini! What a dumb trend attempt. But how else are you going to catch all the Goldsmith/Quarterflash fans?

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)


Then a year later, we got the much maligned, and appropriately so, Gremlins mini-LP.
16 minutes of film music. 16. Mind you, it's 16 nice minutes, it sounded great, and for what it had to be, they were even decent cue-combos, to play like a Twilight Zone: The Movie suite, but Gremlins wasn't a 25 minute segment of that film. It was such an inexcusable decision.



I agree the album was a disappointment, but at least these 16 minutes of film music, as you said, sounded great and played well as a "suite".

But indeed, it was a disappointing release. I so loved the movie and music back then, I was especially fond of the mysterious Chinatown music from the beginning and the threatening fountain music from the end, both of which was sadly absent.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   John W. Coburn   (Member)

Two Bernstein scores.True Grit and Baby,the Rain Must Fall!

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Haven’t seen the film and don’t know how much score he wrote total, but the soundtrack album for Introducing Dorothy Dandridge has less than 7 minutes of Elmer Bernstein score on it (split among 4 cues).

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 2:50 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

I think Quest for Camelot’s OST should be included here. While I understand that the songs are what people usually go for on animation soundtrack albums, it only included a paltry six minutes of Patrick Doyle’s score when there was quite a bit of room for more (the album was only 45 minutes). Of course, this was partially compensated for by way of the isolated score on the DVD (I really hope Warner Archive retains this if they release the film on Blu-ray since I don’t see an expanded edition happening any time soon), though it’s still a disappointing presentation.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 3:12 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Addison's SLEUTH. Spoiled by dialogue intrusions.

John Scott's "Greystoke" should also be a candidate... if not for "Worst", then at least for "Most Inadequate".

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2023 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

I’m going to say Angel Heart by Trevor Jones, for the dialogue intrusion. To be honest wee bits do add to the mood as there’s some classic lines to be heard but the score experience is lost amongst the album with so much needless sound effects and pointless dialogue pieces.
I’m also going to mention something I’m guessing a lot of you won’t know.. Evil Enko by Angelo Badalamenti. Atmospheric synth score and even a great song are ruined by dialogue in so many tracks.
That dialogue thing can be a real pain. Its not so bad if its sandwiched between tracks on its own but there was the album ages back of Shadow Of The Vampire by Dan Jones which was the weirdest listen as the again pointless dialogue and sound effects through it was mixed so low it was just annoying in a whole different way.

 
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