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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2      General Discussion: Rosenman and EAST OF EDEN     1 2    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Feb 11, 2010 - 5:14 PM     By:   peterproud   (Member) Rented East Of Eden last night after many years of telling myself I needed to see some James Dean stuff. The DVD case at the video store made it look very 50's with star-crossed lovers intertwined and a close-up of James Dean scowling into the distance - I was expecting to need a sandwich break or two to wallow through the drama, but how wrong I was. This film captivated me from start to finish. James Dean was incredible, the story and script were rich and surprisingly natural (as was the acting by most of the cast), and Leonard Rosenman's score was perfect for the film. Rosenman is so good at playing through scenes and subtly hitting little moments without attracting attention - and his musical language is a step or two away from traditional 50's scoring tonality to provide a slightly more complex element to many of the scenes.... I was actually shocked he had not been nominated for the Oscar that year...but there you go. If you haven't seen it yet (and I may very well be in the minority here) because you thought it might be antiquated and dry like I did, check it out. Leonard Maltin's comments on the DVD jacket sum it up..."Emotionally overwhelming. Affects today's generation as much as those who witnessed Dean's starring debut." ...I'm about to investigate what releases there have been of this score...any recommendations would be welcome.    Posted:   Feb 11, 2010 - 6:19 PM     By:   Eugene Iemola   (Member) Alas, Peter, many incarnations, yet it exists in the hearts and minds of many here as a holy grail.    Posted:   Feb 11, 2010 - 6:26 PM     By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member) A very fine re-recording: http://www.amazon.com/East-Eden-Rebel-Without-Cause/dp/B000005J43/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1265937757&sr=1-3 These may be original tracks: http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/3456/TRIBUTE-TO-JAMES-DEAN-3-bonus-tracks/ ...and then there is the "Soundstage Records" b**t which can't be mentioned here. Haven't seen it listed anywhere in years, anyway.    Posted:   Feb 11, 2010 - 6:58 PM     By:   Steve Johnson   (Member) A very fine re-recording: http://www.amazon.com/East-Eden-Rebel-Without-Cause/dp/B000005J43/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1265937757&sr=1-3 These may be original tracks: http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/3456/TRIBUTE-TO-JAMES-DEAN-3-bonus-tracks/ ...and then there is the "Soundstage Records" b**t which can't be mentioned here. Haven't seen it listed anywhere in years, anyway. That rerecording is superb. Highly recommended by the likes of me!    Posted:   Feb 12, 2010 - 10:47 PM     By:   Don Norman   (Member) As far as I know, the track "Prelude from "East of Eden"" on the MUSIC IN FILM cd is the only legal one available that appears to be from the original soundtrack. It's conducted by Ray Heindorf. You can hear a sample of it here: http://tinyurl.com/ykfm4ha    Posted:   Feb 13, 2010 - 1:20 AM     By:   shicorp   (Member) As far as I know, the track "Prelude from "East of Eden"" on the MUSIC IN FILM cd is the only legal one available that appears to be from the original soundtrack. It's conducted by Ray Heindorf. You can hear a sample of it here: http://tinyurl.com/ykfm4ha The tracks on the "A Tribute To James Dean" Columbia album seem to be excerpts from the original recording - thus the hold-up of a full-length release of the Warner masters. I wonder if the situation has changed since Intrada has done "The Blue Max" - another Columbia title in print...    Posted:   Feb 13, 2010 - 1:21 AM     By:   shicorp   (Member) Rented East Of Eden last night after many years of telling myself I needed to see some James Dean stuff. The DVD case at the video store made it look very 50's with star-crossed lovers intertwined and a close-up of James Dean scowling into the distance - I was expecting to need a sandwich break or two to wallow through the drama, but how wrong I was. This film captivated me from start to finish. James Dean was incredible, the story and script were rich and surprisingly natural (as was the acting by most of the cast), and Leonard Rosenman's score was perfect for the film. Rosenman is so good at playing through scenes and subtly hitting little moments without attracting attention - and his musical language is a step or two away from traditional 50's scoring tonality to provide a slightly more complex element to many of the scenes.... I was actually shocked he had not been nominated for the Oscar that year...but there you go. If you haven't seen it yet (and I may very well be in the minority here) because you thought it might be antiquated and dry like I did, check it out. Leonard Maltin's comments on the DVD jacket sum it up..."Emotionally overwhelming. Affects today's generation as much as those who witnessed Dean's starring debut." ...I'm about to investigate what releases there have been of this score...any recommendations would be welcome. I'm glad to hear that you liked "East Of Eden". Now get out and get "Rebel Without A Cause"    Posted:   Feb 13, 2010 - 8:25 AM     By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member) I'm glad to hear that you liked "East Of Eden". Now get out and get "Rebel Without A Cause" Absolutely! Best bet, IMO, is the re-recording listed in my posting above. The major pieces from both scores, superbly rendered. It's astonishing to me that these scores were Rosenman's earliest. My reading of a Dean biography suggests that it was James Dean himself who maneuvered Rosenman's hiring to score EAST OF EDEN. Is that a supported contention?    Posted:   Feb 13, 2010 - 10:27 AM     By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member) Yup! Tinkers to Evers to Chance, Rosenman to Dean to Kazan. Very well documented. (Rosenman taught Dean to play piano.)    Posted:   Feb 13, 2010 - 7:21 PM     By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member) Yup! Tinkers to Evers to Chance, Rosenman to Dean to Kazan. Very well documented. (Rosenman taught Dean to play piano.) Then Dean gave us quite a lot to appreciate in his brief life. A number of folks here have opined that James Dean was overrated as an actor, that his crying jags in EDEN and REBEL were over-the-top etc. I think about his performance as Jett Rink in GIANT, and I have to say that I have seen few better performances in my life than that one. Like Steve McQueen, he had a talent for occupying the screen completely and unforgettably with his presence. What a shame that we will never know what he could have grown to become.    Posted:   Feb 13, 2010 - 8:07 PM     By:   John McMasters   (Member) And there is also Rosenman's rethinking of some of the material for his beautiful scoring of "9/30/55" -- the MCA lp is short but oh so wonderful: Track listing from soundtrack collector: 1. Newscast, September 30, 1955 (00:37) dialogue 2. Main Title 'East Of Eden' (02:20) contains some dialogue 3. On The Way To Criss Cross Meadow (03:34) 4. Hasty Retreat From Criss Cross Meadow (02:10) 5. James Dean And Eden Revisited (09:35) 6. Theme From 9/30/55 - East Of Eden (03:17) 7. The Ghoulish Syndrome (02:23) 8. Life Imitates Art (09:15) contains some dialogue 9. A New Rebel In Search Of A Cause (03:12) Total Duration: 00:36:23 Track listing contributed by Eddy    Posted:   Feb 13, 2010 - 8:14 PM     By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member) And there is also Rosenman's rethinking of some of the material for his beautiful scoring of "9/30/55" -- the MCA lp is short but oh so wonderful: Track listing from soundtrack collector: 1. Newscast, September 30, 1955 (00:37) dialogue 2. Main Title 'East Of Eden' (02:20) contains some dialogue 3. On The Way To Criss Cross Meadow (03:34) 4. Hasty Retreat From Criss Cross Meadow (02:10) 5. James Dean And Eden Revisited (09:35) 6. Theme From 9/30/55 - East Of Eden (03:17) 7. The Ghoulish Syndrome (02:23) 8. Life Imitates Art (09:15) contains some dialogue 9. A New Rebel In Search Of A Cause (03:12) Total Duration: 00:36:23 Track listing contributed by Eddy I have been wanting this for such a long time, great film and another wonderful score by LR. I brought this title up at the FSM gathering and a few really wanted it, but sadly since it's a Universal title, Doug Fake said they would require a 3000 run and this title would not sell 3000 units, plus they could, possibly, only get the LP program which had a lot of dialgoue. Very sad, hopefully with all these studios being more helpful, maybe they will let someone lower that number and or do the complete score without dialgoue.    Posted:   Oct 26, 2011 - 4:08 PM     By:   John McMasters   (Member) I watched "East of Eden" again a few nights ago and, as always, was simply overwhelmed by the beauty of the film, its score, and its tender direction and performances. An official release of this score and "Rebel Without a Cause" remain my top holy grails. Has anything changed over the last year or so with regard to getting these beautiful and important works finally released complete and from the original recordings?    Posted:   Oct 27, 2011 - 3:12 AM     By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member) According to an article in the publication Film Music, Leonard Rosenman said that, contrary to the usual procedure in which the score is written and recorded after filming, some of the music was written before the corresponding scenes were shot, in order that “the music is inextractable from the dramatic framework of the whole project.” In one scene, characters Aron and Abra hum one of the musical themes of the film.    Posted:   Oct 27, 2011 - 8:17 AM     By:   John McMasters   (Member) Bob, thank you for that information! It got me to wondering if both "East of Eden" and "Rebel Without a Cause" will end up being, for me personally, similar to "North by Northwest." Specifically, whenever I want to listen to the score of "North by Northwest" I find myself watching the film instead of listening to one of the multiple recordings I have of the music. In some cases, "Once Upon a Time in the West" is another, I find the music and film so beautifully "married" that I watch the film to experience the music to the fullest. But still, I do long for a complete release of these scores -- and "9/30/55" would also be wonderful!    Posted:   Mar 26, 2023 - 12:20 PM     By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member) I do long for a complete release of these scores -- and "9/30/55" would also be wonderful! Varese Sarabande re-issued the "9/30/55" LP on CD in 2018 https://varesesarabande.com/products/9-30-55?_pos=1&_psq=9%2F30&_ss=e&_v=1.0    Posted:   Mar 26, 2023 - 12:58 PM     By:   eriknelson   (Member) Bob, thank you for that information! It got me to wondering if both "East of Eden" and "Rebel Without a Cause" will end up being, for me personally, similar to "North by Northwest." Specifically, whenever I want to listen to the score of "North by Northwest" I find myself watching the film instead of listening to one of the multiple recordings I have of the music. In some cases, "Once Upon a Time in the West" is another, I find the music and film so beautifully "married" that I watch the film to experience the music to the fullest. But still, I do long for a complete release of these scores -- and "9/30/55" would also be wonderful! Somewhat off topic, but a new 4K restoration of EOE will premiere on the big screen at the 2023 TCM Classic Film Festival on April 14. TCM will then air it on April 26.    Posted:   Mar 26, 2023 - 1:36 PM     By:   Night   (Member) This score is of course a masterpiece, one of the greatest film scores ever written (top 40 easily). Along with Fantastic Voyage, I consider East of Eden to be Rosenman's best work. The main theme is one of the most memorable melodies in all of film music, and several other pieces in the score are also among the best Rosenman ever wrote.    Posted:   Mar 26, 2023 - 2:28 PM     By:   filmusicnow   (Member) It makes a great companion piece to Rosenman's score for "Cross Creek" (which, in my opinion, should have won him an Oscar).    Posted:   Mar 26, 2023 - 2:48 PM     By:   Nono   (Member) It makes a great companion piece to Rosenman's score for "Cross Creek" (which, in my opinion, should have won him an Oscar). I wish Leonard Rosenman had scored Francis Coppola's The Outsiders in 1983. He would have been the perfect composer considering his scores for East of Eden, Rebel Without a Cause and Cross Creek the same year. I much prefer the film with Carmine Coppola's music than what Francis Coppola did in his director's cut, though.     General Discussion: Rosenman and EAST OF EDEN    < 1 2  > >>  Go to page:  1 2   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2

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