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 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 8:02 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I must have something really important I need to think about because why else would I invest thought to such a topic.

As someone who has been buying records since the late 60s, and also someone who spent a couple of adult decade years in the record retail business and was able to see company-wide scanned sales figures, I have some thoughts regarding what Goldsmith's best-selling albums were.

Now, Goldsmith never really had a hit album. I'm not talking about multi-platinum pop albums or even those rare instrumental soundtracks that sold a few hundred thousand--Out of Africa, Last of the Mohicans, Twin Peaks, Dances With Wolves, etc. I'm talking about even more modest successes such as Witness, Passage to India, etc. Soundtracks that sold outside of the small orchestral soundtrack fan base.

I think Star Trek the Motion Picture was probably his biggest selling album. Great score, high profile, timely.

After that? I'm thinking Our Man Flint, released at the peak of the spy craze. In Like Flint probably did well, too.

After that? I think we're looking at maybe Papillon, Chinatown, the Sand Pebbles.

Ironically, I think his biggest seller could have been an album he never made: The Man from UNCLE. If he had done what Mancini did with Peter Gunn, what Schifrin did with Mission: Impossible and Mannix, and take what few themes he composed for the series and fleshed out the rest of the album, it would have been a big hit. Certainly Hugo Montenegro's two UNCLE releases were.

Any thoughts? Anybody have any specific data?

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I cannot offer any data, but find this interesting as well. Jerry Goldsmith didn't really have the "crossover" appeal that catapulted some soundtracks (Star Wars, Flashdance, Pink Panther etc.) into the mass market. He was more interesting to actual soundtrack listeners and even interested classical music listeners.
Presumably, his commercially most successful soundtrack may be Star Trek - The Motion Picture, because it is a universally cherished score and has at least some "franchise collectors" appeal. But apart from Star Trek? Hard to say. GREMLINS was a hit in the 80s and the album also featured Peter Gabriel and Michael Sembello, so I'd throw it into the ring.

One thing that always struck me as odd was UNDER FIRE. The soundtrack was a specifically arranged as album and boosted Pat Metheny (already a renowned jazz guitarist), yet it was very difficult to obtain anywhere. You should think both Goldsmith and Metheny completionists would buy this..

Perhaps because while UNDER FIRE opened to critical acclaim, it wasn't exactly a box office hit (the movie itself was more like a 70s adult polit thriller and less like an 80s action film).

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   MichaelM   (Member)

No specific data but STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE is probably his overall best-selling album in terms of number of copies sold over the years in its various formats and incarnations.

Back in the LP days, you were lucky to be able to find a Goldsmith score in print that was older than three years. Even THE OMEN disappeared quickly and was very hard to find until the first CD release.

RAMBO: FIRST BLOOD PART II, MEDICINE MAN, RUDY and MULAN have been mentioned as bigger-than-usual sellers.

Currently, his most-streamed albums on Amazon Music are:

THE MUMMY
HOOSIERS
RUDY
THE OMEN
FIRST KNIGHT
AIR FORCE ONE
THE 13TH WARRIOR
STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE
ALIEN
CHINATOWN
GREMLINS
POLTERGEIST
MEDICINE MAN

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Well...back in the days..it was almost impossible in Europe, to find
PAPILLON...CHINATOWN...CAPRICORN ONE..IN HARMS WAY..THE WIND AND THE LION...POLTERGEIST and the rarest and hardest to find (near impossible) was THE OMEN.
So I wonder if any of his soundtrack LP have been bigsellers at all....

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Rambo paid his house - star trek or alien are his best selling albums. Anyone can confirm ?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I don't think anybody beyond Goldsmith fans bought Under Fire. I don't think many Metheny fans bought it, either. I don't think they even knew about it.

Hoosiers and Poltergeist were mentioned. They were decent but modest sellers. I don't recall Gremlins raking in any bucks.

I meant to mention in my original post but forgot--Patton. Probably sold more than any other except Star Trek and the Flint scores. The speech probably helped sales.

The Omen, despite its Oscar and undeniable value to the film, was not much of a seller. I remember an RCA sales person was in the store I was working in and was putting up an Omen display. I told him I really liked the music and he said something like "well, you and nobody else." The disco era.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 9:05 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

All I know is I remember reading a (short) mainstream news article about how well the Rambo II album was doing (for a score album). And yes, Patton did well enough because of the speech and at least for a decade or so became familiar enough for the music to be used as a comedy punchline. But Goldsmith albums like Planet of the Apes and Chinatown were more destined to be cult collectibles.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

I cannot offer any data, but find this interesting as well. Jerry Goldsmith didn't really have the "crossover" appeal that catapulted some soundtracks (Star Wars, Flashdance, Pink Panther etc.) into the mass market.

I don't really think Flashdance fits in there... Although it would have been funny if Jerry Goldsmith had done the underscore (I can't imagine his cue for Alex riding bicycle to work would've been) while leaving the songs to Giorgio Moroder!

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Currently, his most-streamed albums on Amazon Music are:

THE MUMMY
HOOSIERS
RUDY
THE OMEN
FIRST KNIGHT
AIR FORCE ONE
THE 13TH WARRIOR
STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE
ALIEN
CHINATOWN
GREMLINS
POLTERGEIST
MEDICINE MAN


That's a pretty good sign for potential sales if Varese ever gets around to expanding MEDICINE MAN and THE 13TH WARRIOR...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   No Respectable Gentleman   (Member)

My guess is FIERCE CREATURES.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I don't know the answer either, but at the risk of saying only what's obvious, it'll be something that has a lot more to do with the popularity of the film than whether it was Goldsmith's best music.

So, I'd go look at what his biggest grossing films are, and which of those had a contemporary soundtrack album.

I suspect The Omen will probably fare well because of how much of a hit the film was, combined with the big impact the music had on that film. It was a very well noticed score with a big public impact.

Then again, how many people want to play a Satanic Gregorian chant in their homes?

If Jerry Goldsmith had a clear Star Wars to his name — a huge hit of a film with a family friendly, high energy score and an iconic theme — it would probably be easy to pick.

I wouldn't mind betting QBVII and Masada might have done well, given the audiences they reached on TV.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Besides winning Emmys, I'm pretty sure that QBVII and Masada were also among the Goldsmith albums that received Grammy nominations, for what it's worth...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   MichaelM   (Member)

Not an album, but the all-time biggest-selling Jerry Goldsmith record is...

THREE STARS WILL SHINE TONIGHT (Theme from Dr. Kildare) sung by Richard Chamberlain, released in 1962.

No. 10 on the US Billboard Hot 100, No. 12 on the UK Singles Chart.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

Star Trek TMP and Mulan...by miles!

MV

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

I'd be willing to bet that if you corral all of Goldsmith's Star Trek albums plus The Omen into a single set, the sales numbers dwarf the combined sales of every other Goldsmith album.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

If we're talking sales of albums on their initial release, I'd think that THE OMEN probably did comparatively well (so villa's story about its not selling well is surprising). I know a few teens who bought it along with me, although whether they kept it - or even listened to it more than once - is debatable. They might just have wanted to have the Old Spice music.

I'm mentionaing THE OMEN because it was widely available at HMV in Glasgow. Things like the LP of QBVII were only available at soundtrack stores. I only ever saw it in 58 Dean Street, and that's where I bought it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

Rambo III paid for his house...

That was from his salary. Not album sales. smile

Remember that dismal Scotti Bros. album? About 26 minutes of his music.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Unless you got actual LP n CD sales figures, its all guesswork.

I mean even something like Blue Max, rare LP, reissued LP, and then all its different CD releases, probably sold consistently over its 57 years, but how does that compare to say Star Trek, cult film for a popular franchise? I dont know.

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Star Trek TMP and Mulan...by miles!

MV


I'll take this as one of the more "in the know" replies.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2023 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Surely MULAN, right? It didn't perhaps do as well as the Menkens and later things like FROZEN etc., but it's still Disney, the film was and is still popular (although the less said about the godawful live action remake, the better).

 
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