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I'm constantly on the fence with Superman 2/3, as I have the box set from FSM. Just to be sure, would I only be gaining about an extra 5 minutes of source music? I believe it's the same master, too. And the liner notes? Are they substantially different from the original notes or is it only minor changes?
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I'm constantly on the fence with Superman 2/3, as I have the box set from FSM. Just to be sure, would I only be gaining about an extra 5 minutes of source music? I believe it's the same master, too. And the liner notes? Are they substantially different from the original notes or is it only minor changes?
I was on the fence with this release for quite some time too, but when La-La Land had their sale I ordered it. And yes, you'll only be gaining about an extra 5 minutes of source music from Superman: The Movie. The master is the same and the liner notes are updated from the FSM release.
And the FSM release had all the music from Superman II on one disc, La-La Land has the last 15 minutes on disc 2 together with the source music.
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I'm constantly on the fence with Superman 2/3, as I have the box set from FSM. Just to be sure, would I only be gaining about an extra 5 minutes of source music? I believe it's the same master, too. And the liner notes? Are they substantially different from the original notes or is it only minor changes?
Exactly. Owning the Blue Box is why I haven't bought the LLL II / III and IV sets. I just couldn't justify it.
But the LLL Superman I set came from the once-lost, first generation 2-inch reels. The best-possible tapes, given the best-possible conversion and mastering? That is something I had to have. I imagine the next edition will be a 2-CD set like Star Trek TMP got. It'll be like the old Rhino Superman, but in the new sound quality.
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Apr 12, 2023 - 4:41 PM
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I passed on the La La Land release of Superman some time back because I couldn't really justify the high price (which includes pretty high postage charges from the US to the UK) given that I've owned the blue box for years, and I'm perfectly happy with the score as it is presented in the blue box.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm aware the La La Land release uses first generation masters. Maybe if you're an audiophile that kind of thing matters to you. But, as I said, I'm happy with the blue box version of the score. I'm also not too bothered about the alternative unused versions of several cues, which appear on the La La Land release. I rarely listen to alternative unused versions of cues on my soundtrack CDs. (I've still not listened to the second CD of alternative cues from Intrada's original release of Back to the Future.)
Besides, if I'd bought La La Land's release of Superman then it would have been the fourth time I'd bought the score on CD. After I buy a score for the third time that's usually where I draw the line. Instead of buying the same score again and again, I'd rather spend my money on scores I don't already own.
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Apr 12, 2023 - 7:46 PM
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Amer Zahid
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I passed on the La La Land release of Superman some time back because I couldn't really justify the high price (which includes pretty high postage charges from the US to the UK) given that I've owned the blue box for years, and I'm perfectly happy with the score as it is presented in the blue box.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm aware the La La Land release uses first generation masters. Maybe if you're an audiophile that kind of thing matters to you. But, as I said, I'm happy with the blue box version of the score. I'm also not too bothered about the alternative unused versions of several cues, which appear on the La La Land release. I rarely listen to alternative unused versions of cues on my soundtrack CDs. (I've still not listened to the second CD of alternative cues from Intrada's original release of Back to the Future.)
Besides, if I'd bought La La Land's release of Superman then it would have been the fourth time I'd bought the score on CD. After I buy a score for the third time that's usually where I draw the line. Instead of buying the same score again and again, I'd rather spend my money on scores I don't already own.
Well somebody who just bought that last unit is probably going to thank you!
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I passed on the La La Land release of Superman some time back because I couldn't really justify the high price (which includes pretty high postage charges from the US to the UK) given that I've owned the blue box for years, and I'm perfectly happy with the score as it is presented in the blue box.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm aware the La La Land release uses first generation masters. Maybe if you're an audiophile that kind of thing matters to you. But, as I said, I'm happy with the blue box version of the score. I'm also not too bothered about the alternative unused versions of several cues, which appear on the La La Land release. I rarely listen to alternative unused versions of cues on my soundtrack CDs. (I've still not listened to the second CD of alternative cues from Intrada's original release of Back to the Future.)
Besides, if I'd bought La La Land's release of Superman then it would have been the fourth time I'd bought the score on CD. After I buy a score for the third time that's usually where I draw the line. Instead of buying the same score again and again, I'd rather spend my money on scores I don't already own.
You make a lot of sense, especially if you need overseas shipping. The truth is, on the equipment I listen with, I can't hear the difference between La La Land and the Blue Box. FSM did a great job on the box, nobody can deny it.
But the LLL Sup-1 is a joy to own as a collector. Over a span of 42 years, I bought the score six times on physical media:
• Warner 2-LP set
• Warner abridged CD
• Rhino 2-CD set
• Varese 2-CD Royal Scottish
• FSM Blue Box
• LLL 3-CD set
And with that, I am done. I'm not interested in "hi-res" files. This LLL set is the ultimate for me.
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You make a lot of sense, especially if you need overseas shipping. The truth is, on the equipment I listen with, I can't hear the difference between La La Land and the Blue Box. FSM did a great job on the box, nobody can deny it.
Well, Superman's II and III are the same masters, so you wouldn't hear any difference. Only the first score was re-released from first gen masters. I think that point is getting confused in these posts. You absolutely can hear the difference in the first film score. Even though the Blue Box release sounds great, the La La Land remastered and restored release is a freaking revelation on any sound system.
I can't imagine anyone can improve upon it.
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Sold out.
I got the La-La Land 3CD set of SUPERMAN, that makes the fifth time I bought the score;
1. WB double LP set
2. WB Original CD release
3. Rhino 2CD set
4. FSM Blue Box
5. La-La Land 3CD set
(I also have the terrific recording John Debney did with the RSNO, which I count separately.)
The FSM Blue Box was a considerable improvement over the previous versions and it's such a beautiful presentation, I fully understand anyone who stops there and says it's sufficient. It's also by far the best sounding SUPERMAN release up to that point.
Nevertheless, while the FSM sounds really good, the La-La Land 3CD set is a clear and audible improvement. Sounds as if the score was recorded yesterday. So since SUPERMAN is one of my favorite scores, I caved in and got the LLL release a few years ago , and for me, it was worth it.
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Apr 13, 2023 - 9:04 AM
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JB Fan
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Well somebody who just bought that last unit is probably going to thank you!
Even if I had wanted to buy La La Land's Superman in the last few days I wouldn't have been able to. I'm short of money at the moment.
However, there's one thing about FSM's blue box I don't understand. The following is from the description of the blue box on FSM's site:
Williams's music to Superman: The Movie has been released on several occasions, most recently on a 2CD set from Rhino (now out of print). That album, however, was reconstructed using secondary dubbing elements, as the six-track 35mm music masters were unearthed only afterwards. For this definitive presentation, the entire recording has been painstakingly remixed and remastered from that first-generation source, yielding the best sound quality ever.
If it's true that the score on FSM's blue box was remastered from a first generation source then how could the blue box be improved upon? La La Land's release was remastered from a first generation source too, yes? So where could the improvement in sound quality in La La Land's set come from?
As I understand, LLL used original 24-tracks masters, so 6-tracks at FSM is dubbing or something like this.
I found this thread about "technical" questions about now sold out release:
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=1&forumID=1&threadID=134413&archive=0
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One last bit of praise for the Blue Box from me: it was my very first "Holy Grail" release. I wanted all of these scores for so long, I waited very impatiently for the release date. It remains one of the jewels in my collection. All four films (plus the animated series) sound incredible and the new mix of II and III really bring those scores to life. I was so happy Ken Thorne lived long enough to finally see his work given their just due.
It remains an amazing and lovingly put together collection. The LLL set sits proudly next to it in perfect company.
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I imagine the next edition will be a 2-CD set like Star Trek TMP got. It'll be like the old Rhino Superman, but in the new sound quality.
Oh my goodness. A Superman release that I won't buy! It's hard to imagine!
Superman is one of those scores that just should never be out of print.
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Oh my goodness. A Superman release that I won't buy! It's hard to imagine!
Same here. The recent 2-CD edition of ST:TMP was the first classic cast Star Trek release I ever skipped. And when the comparable Superman set comes out, it will be the first release of that score I ever skipped.
The 3-CD ultimate super-deluxe fantasy editions from LLL are just too good.
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