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 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   Moonlight   (Member)

Ludwig Göransson is reuniting with Christopher Nolan for 'Oppenheimer':

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/christopher-nolan-oppenheimer-cast-cillian-murphy-release-date-1235084507/

Nolan reteaming with Göransson might point to an overall falling out over Dunkirk, with Zimmer possibly not returning anymore to Nolan.

No Hans Zimmer this time either, I wonder why? Your thoughts on this?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Damn it!

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

Bring back Hans Freakin’ Zimmer !!!

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

Any chance of a music supervisor to oversee the scoring process; someone who knows what a film score should sound like? Because it seems a waste to hire a talented composer like Goransson (an Oscar winner, at that) and not allow him to write music. I just don't get it.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

It's Nolan. If he hired a real talented composer, he'd find a way to thoroughly squander that.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Well, Nolan doesn't like or use film scores in the traditional way many of us favour.
That's been obvious throughout all of his films.
Nolan and John Williams would never make comfortable bedfellows.
If Zimmer chose another project over TENET, thus severing their relationship, it's only natural for Nolan to seek a new loyal partner.
And if they had a great time working on TENET together, it was bound to happen.
I generally don't like Nolan's films anyway - he's another cold fish director to me, just like Kubrick and Mann - so it doesn't matter to me at all, but the prospect of something new from Goransson holds more interest to me than that of Zimmer.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

I am sure he will deliver completely boring score perfectly matching completely boring Nolan's new film. So what is the big issue here? Except for the name responsible for it I am not sure anyone would be able to hear any difference in the end product whatsoever...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Let's stay on topic and only talk about the score please.

The score hasn't been released yet nor even composed, so there's not much we're allowed to talk about.

Sticking to the title, I'm happy Ludwig is to score Nolan's Oppenheimer. I will place my conjectures about the film in the Non-Film Score Discussion section of the site.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

It's Nolan. If he hired a real talented composer, he'd find a way to thoroughly squander that.

Just imagine if he hired Goldenthal for a movie about Oppenheimer. damn......

Heck I would take Don Davis.

Or maybe be bold and hire John Adams since he composed Doctor Atomic a few years back...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I generally don't like Nolan's films anyway - he's another cold fish director to me, just like Kubrick and Mann - so it doesn't matter to me at all, but the prospect of something new from Goransson holds more interest to me than that of Zimmer.

It's always funny when you read those kinds of sentences, where you disagree vehemently with EVERYTHING being said, on ALL points. Adore Nolan, Kubrick and Mann. Göransson is the worst thing to happen to film music in quite some time. Zimmer is a genius, and delivers gold when inspired. So yeah, funny. smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   McD   (Member)

Tenet’s score was wonderful. You deliver like that, then you get to ‘stay on’. It’s the third best score to a Nolan film.

Nolan is probably going to do the next Bond and Zimmer has shot his bolt on that one too. Time to stick with the new guy.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 2:38 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

I generally don't like Nolan's films anyway - he's another cold fish director to me, just like Kubrick and Mann - so it doesn't matter to me at all, but the prospect of something new from Goransson holds more interest to me than that of Zimmer.

It's always funny when you read those kinds of sentences, where you disagree vehemently with EVERYTHING being said, on ALL points. Adore Nolan, Kubrick and Mann. Göransson is the worst thing to happen to film music in quite some time. Zimmer is a genius, and delivers gold when inspired. So yeah, funny. smile


I think Zimmer might possibly be the worst thing to happen to film music and is also not a genius. I think his days of delivering gold (or golden popcorn) are long gone (goodbye 1990s) and agree with a previous commenter that Zimmer's bane is being overly cerebral, and he does better when confined to specific instructions (NO TIME TO DIE).

I'm happy that Göransson / anyone-but-Zimmer is scoring this.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Awesome. Another person with whom I disagree so much, we could basically live on different planets. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Awesome. Another person with whom I disagree so much, we could basically live on different planets. smile

Ok.

Well anyways, Zimmer is not scoring this film so I don't know if we should really be talking about a non-existent, hypothetical Zimmer score.

I'm sure Ludwig will create a serviceable score, at minimum.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2021 - 11:29 PM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

Yeah, I notice Nolan hasn't worked with Wally Pfister (cinematographer) since The Dark Knight Rises. Pfister's lack of involvement in Interstellar was probably because he was making his directorial debut with Transcendence that same year. Oppenheimerwill be his fourth Nolan film he won't be involved in. I think the same thing could be happening with Zimmer now. He chose Dune over Tenet. Now this will be the second Nolan movie (excluding David Julyan's score to The Prestige, which Zimmer also helped produce) post Batman Begins. It reminds me of the situation with cinematographer Mark Irwin and director David Cronenberg. Irwin was a regular cinematographer for Cronenberg until '88'. That was due to Irwin being already committed to another project. Irwin mentioned (in The Fly (1986) documentary) how Cronenberg tried to convince him to bail on that film for his own. Irwin refused due to already being invested in the other project. Irwin also mentioned he'd do the same if the projects were reversed. Due to the lack of Cronenberg collaborations Irwin would later regret that decision. So I guess if you're a collaborator of Nolan's and risk choosing another project over his he'll cut ties with you and move on.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 12:23 AM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

So I guess if you're a collaborator of Nolan's and risk choosing another project over his he'll cut ties with you and move on.

It could also just be scheduling conflicts or lack of interest in the material.

It's also possible that Nolan's experience with Göransson was much simpler than the Zimmer circus and perhaps Nolan found Göransson more malleable. Looking from the outside in, it generally seems that both Nolan and Zimmer have extreme idiosyncrasies and tendencies to get lost in overly-cerebral thinking. I think both of them would be an absolute handful to have to work with, and I think Zimmer has always done better when he's restricted by projects that have an extremely straightforward and non-esoteric creative focus that prevent him from meandering ie. James Bond, 90's action flicks, Lion King, Gladiator. But when he's let loose on big "think pieces", it's usually a mess.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 12:24 AM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Awesome. Another person with whom I disagree so much, we could basically live on different planets. smile

Btw, I'm just twisting your tail Thor - I was just making fun of how much you dislike Göransson, especially since I think he's too small-scale to have such a negative impact on film music. I do think Zimmer has established bad habits that other less composers have taken and run with, but I don't think he's the end of the world razz

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 3:31 AM   
 By:   Katsoulas   (Member)

Fuck fuck fuck!!!! Tenet was one of the most bad scores in cinema history

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 4:06 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Btw, I'm just twisting your tail Thor - I was just making fun of how much you dislike Göransson, especially since I think he's too small-scale to have such a negative impact on film music. I do think Zimmer has established bad habits that other less composers have taken and run with, but I don't think he's the end of the world razz

He, he....a bit of ribbing is fine.

But I do think Göransson's "presence" is more widereaching than you propose. I'm not only annoyed because I think there's nothing worthwhile in his music, but also because he's a "hot name" that takes over a lot of interesting franchises and directors, and people laud him left and right. So basically the same I feel in regards to Giacchino. The Emperor's New Clothes and all that. If he had just been a nobody that produced bad scores for things I didn't care about, I wouldn't really care.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2021 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   Luc Van der Eeken   (Member)

Btw, I'm just twisting your tail Thor - I was just making fun of how much you dislike Göransson, especially since I think he's too small-scale to have such a negative impact on film music. I do think Zimmer has established bad habits that other less composers have taken and run with, but I don't think he's the end of the world razz

He, he....a bit of ribbing is fine.

But I do think Göransson's "presence" is more widereaching than you propose. I'm not only annoyed because I think there's nothing worthwhile in his music, but also because he's a "hot name" that takes over a lot of interesting franchises and directors, and people laud him left and right. So basically the same I feel in regards to Giacchino. The Emperor's New Clothes and all that. If he had just been a nobody that produced bad scores for things I didn't care about, I wouldn't really care.


Ah, but that's how a lot of people (not me) think of Hans Zimmer, Thor. He has also taken over a lot of franchises that people care about. I kinda like what Göransson did for Creed but Tenet was a difficult listen (but then so is Dune...). Zimmer is a hit-and-miss for me but he knocked it out of the park with NTTD, absolutely love it. And I bought Dune because I love the movie.

 
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