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 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

I recently watched the documentary BEHIND THE PLANET OF THE APES narrated by Roddy McDowall and when talking about Jerry Goldsmith's score for the first film, he commented that the maestro used a "Brazilian Cuica" as an instrument.

What cues would you say that the Cuica was used? Thanks.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Interesting how in the Documentary I believe McDowall pronounced the instrument as a "Koo Kah" and this guy in the video says "Quee Kah".

Can you think of any other Film Scores other than the APES Films where a "Cuica" was used?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

This guy's Cuica kinda sounds like the obnoxious Chihuahua that lives down the street from me.

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   That Neil Guy   (Member)

John O'Callaghan breaks it all down in his book.
http://www.pithikosentertainment.com/simiansandserialism.html

Also, it's nice to finally put a name to the instrument that creates those sounds.

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   johnonymous86   (Member)

Interesting how in the Documentary I believe McDowall pronounced the instrument as a "Koo Kah" and this guy in the video says "Quee Kah".

Can you think of any other Film Scores other than the APES Films where a "Cuica" was used?




Quee Kah is the correct pronounciation.

Quincy Jones used one on Soul Bossanova which was heavily used in the Austin Powers films. They are typical rhythm instruments in South American music. I always thought they had a very vocal like quality to them.

I can't recall if JG used a cuica on Under Fire but he did use Pat Metheny who would go on to use the cuica in one of my favorite songs from one his group's best albums (all IMO of course):

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Can you think of any other Film Scores other than the APES Films where a "Cuica" was used?

La Resa dei Conti ( the big gundown ). In the two 'La Caccia' tracks. At least the first one.

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   johnonymous86   (Member)

After re-listening to Nicaragua from Under Fire, I think Goldsmith is emulating the sound on a synth when the march starts--either that or the setting is trying to emulate some kind of flute. Too hard to tell with some of those old synth/midi patches.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

Can you think of any other Film Scores other than the APES Films where a "Cuica" was used?

Well many many many Brazilian scores and Brazilian influenced scores... Numerous Italian and French scores have samba music with cuica.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

I wonder if that sorta Dog Barking effect heard in THE BURBS is actually a Cuica? I'll have to listen closely.

Starting at 1:07 What do you think? Is that a Cuica?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Interesting how in the Documentary I believe McDowall pronounced the instrument as a "Koo Kah" and this guy in the video says "Quee Kah".

Caramba, Zooba, deja de hablar como un gringo!
(my grandpa was from Spain, never learned to speaka da english)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)

John O'Callaghan breaks it all down in his book.
http://www.pithikosentertainment.com/simiansandserialism.html

Also, it's nice to finally put a name to the instrument that creates those sounds.


Thanks, Neil! (plenty of copies still available! Hint! Hint!)

The book also details all the places where Maestro Goldsmith wrote the cuica IN to the score but was DELETED before it was committed to tape onthe recording stage.

A very fun and fascinating instrument to use. When I did my re-recording CD, I spent hours and hours with the cuica from the Emil Richards percussion collection, laboring to get the rhythms, squeaks and plops as close as humanly possible to his performance. I was an insanely satisfying experience. (BTW, I'm down to the last 5 CDs of the re-recorded PLANET OF THE APES CD!)

The cuica makes a weird and chilling appearance in Goldsmith's THE MEPHISTO WALTZ score. In the video of the last day of recording sessions that's floating around on YouTube, Emil Richards can be seen making a long, slow, creaking sound on his cuica--not the rapid fire hoots and screaks heard in PLANET OF THE APES.

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   johnonymous86   (Member)

I wonder if that sorta Dog Barking effect heard in THE BURBS is actually a Cuica? I'll have to listen closely.

Starting at 1:07 What do you think? Is that a Cuica?



Crazy, I'd never considered that before but that was most likely the patch they were using to get that sound. It's clearly a synth but the tone has vocal qualities and he just played it really high to sound like a little lap dog. Brilliant!

I could have sworn that particular patch was all over Medicine Man but I can't find it--the patch I was thinking of is definitely trying to emulate the woodwind family.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

Goldsmith also employs it very subtly in some of the loud action bursts of Poltergeist

And in Chinatown, the cue "The Captive" features a hugely disturbing groaning noise. I don't think it's a cuica, it's probably been pointed out in another thread, but it's a similar sound.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Can you think of any other Film Scores other than the APES Films where a "Cuica" was used?

La Resa dei Conti ( the big gundown ). In the two 'La Caccia' tracks. At least the first one.


Lots of Brasilian films or films set in Brasil.

Start with "Black Orpheus."

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Can you think of any other Film Scores other than the APES Films where a "Cuica" was used?

La Resa dei Conti ( the big gundown ). In the two 'La Caccia' tracks. At least the first one.


Lots of Brasilian films or films set in Brasil.

Start with "Black Orpheus."


No doubt, Onya. Having neither seen those Brazilian films nor heard Brazilian soundtracks from that time period, though, I wonder if the usage of cuica is strictly in their pop music (dances and songs) or was this instrument employed in dramatic underscoring?

Regarding my own soundtrack collection, there are a few by A-list Italians several years before Goldsmith used Cuica in Planet of the Apes.

1964 Toto' d'Arabia by A.F. Lavagnino



1965 Casanova 70 by Armando Trovajoli ... https://youtu.be/-xE9IHE2_vY



1966 La resa dei conti by Ennio Morricone



... and soon after Apes, there are:

1968 Vendetta per Vendetta by Lavagnino



1969 Sai cosa faceva Stalin alle donne? by Morricone



Of these, my fave is the '68 Lavagnino ... https://youtu.be/Q22C_UDl5pY?list=RDQ22C_UDl5pY

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Dave Grusin's Baretta theme song...




Easier to hear in the instrumental version...

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2020 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

It's amazing how expressive this instrument is--almost all the demonic growls and groans in The Mephisto Waltz are produced by a cuika (it's also described as a "friction drum" in the score).

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2020 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

Interesting how in the Documentary I believe McDowall pronounced the instrument as a "Koo Kah" and this guy in the video says "Quee Kah".

Caramba, Zooba, deja de hablar como un gringo!
(my grandpa was from Spain, never learned to speaka da english)


Nice try, but in Brazil they speak PORTUGUESE, not Spanish friend...

And Cuica is pronounced KUU-Í-KAA.

Kind of Klingonese...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2020 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I know that you maroon but Cuica is pronounced the same way in espanol. Care to translate from Spanish to Portuguese the admonition to Mr. Zoobs? razz

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2020 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

but Cuica is pronounced the same way in espanol. Care to translate ?

KUU-Í-KAA Draw McGraw
KUU-Í-KAA, Before It Melts
KUU-Í-KAA Change
&
The KUU-Í-KAA and the Dead

How'd I do, Howard?

Will the UN hire me sooner than zooba & Roddy MKUU-Í-KAADowall?

 
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